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Should I get a late 90s CD player or something current?

My (used) Sony Blu-Ray (SACD capable) set me back $10, can just about play anything audio (and most that's visual). If someone (like the OP) wants to play their CDs, cost isn't a factor at all.
That's the main difference between getting into CD and getting into vinyl. CD players and CDs can be had for next to nothing.

Whereas getting back into vinyl means at least £200 on an 'entry level' deck and cartridge and then at least a fiver a go for every album, even second hand. Twice that or more if you actually want records with decent music on them. And new releases on vinyl are two to four times more expensive than the CD version.

The overall cost of entry is several magnitudes more so worth more serious consideration before plunging in.
 
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That's the main difference between getting into CD and getting into vinyl. CD players and CDs can be had for next to nothing.

Whereas getting back into vinyl means at least £200 on an 'entry level' deck and cartridge and then at least a fiver a go for every album, even second hand. Twice that or more if you actually want records with decent music on them. And new releases on vinyl are two to four times more expensive than the CD version.

The overall cost if entry is several magnitudes more so worth more serious consideration before plunging in.
I listen to a lot of classical music. Used CDs of classical music go for $1 a pop, a lot of the time. LPs of classical music go for a lot more if you're looking for playable copies. About 20 years ago I could find lots of classical LPs for $1 each, used, but those days are over. And there are numerous disadvantages for classical music on vinyl. Like the fact that most classical works reach their dynamic peak at the very end, where IGD is at its worst. While the same doesn't exactly apply to pop LPs, the price difference is even worse for LPs compared to CDs.
 
I listen to a lot of classical music. Used CDs of classical music go for $1 a pop, a lot of the time. LPs of classical music go for a lot more if you're looking for playable copies. About 20 years ago I could find lots of classical LPs for $1 each, used, but those days are over. And there are numerous disadvantages for classical music on vinyl. Like the fact that most classical works reach their dynamic peak at the very end, where IGD is at its worst. While the same doesn't exactly apply to pop LPs, the price difference is even worse for LPs compared to CDs.
with you there although I don't listen to classical. Personally would never advise anyone to start into vinyl although have helped a few who were determined to do it no matter what. Some men you just cain't reach :)
 
Vinyl. streaming, climate, traffic, breasts, smog, energy, immigration; Words that have no place in this thread, unelss somone decides to have fun with words.

So...after all this...."late 90s" or "something current"?
If you must, compose your answer by using as many of the above words as possible in your answer.

If you are using translation software, run your response through a couple of languages so the meaning can get sufficienly twisted...
 
Absolutely, but just as most of us here would advise differently than the vinyl lovers on Stevehoffman forums so will I advise against going down the road of investing more money in CD playback. The Op can do what he wants. I doubt he is aware of the full potential of modern music library software.

He can play his CD library on the road or throughout the house, he can get better sound through advanced EQ and time alignment. He can use VST filters like BACCH and DIRAC without needing to purchase additional hardware. There are some really great options to explore with computer based play back.
All the things that you mention, I know about their existance & what the "benefit" is. But here is why I do not care about them:
Using them involves having a computer in the system or using a phone or phone like device to link to the stereo.
These are things that I turn OFF or at least silence when not in immeadiate use.
Which is absolutely the reason that people like us do NOT want to do it.
So you are wasting your time, as well as the time of us that want our CD players in the system and not a computer in the system to make the system operable (or needed to change a setting.
I deal with computers enough in my daily life, I want my stereo to operate without involving one. Unless it is inside the product, such as the CD player, to take care of it's functions. One of my TT's has computer controlled servos. One has no computers at all. But I do not need a computer (or phone, a type of computer) to make it work.
Obviously, I am not against computers, just against needing to use a stand alone computer to operate my stereo.
Also, anyone that calls me, well I hope they don't expect instant access to me. Because that is not likely to happen. And if you called without leaving a message (unless you are my mother or my wife) you are not getting a return call.
The phone will most likely be in the car or the house & I will most likely to be no where near the phone (or the phone may even somewhere that I forgot where I put it). It is least likely to be on my person.
The phone is for MY convenience, not the convenience of others.
I do not sit around in one spot more than 2 or 3 minutes. If I am awake, I am probably in motion (sitting, standing, walking, doing something other than sitting still. Usually even when eating, I am not sitting in one spot (unless I am somehow at a formal dinner [not likely but it has happened] & being relatively still for that long took great levels of concentration {this is also why most chairs at my house have wheels, so that I can still be moving around in relatively small areas})
If the EQ is not a stand alone DEVICE (such as dbx gear), I am not interested in computerized filters, eq, etc (such as VST, BACCH & DIRAC) unless they are in their own devices and once set, do not need a computer attached to them.
Yes, I know: some of them actually are or can be stand-alone & that is a future project.
I do not want to deal with anything that constantly uses qwerty to access it or operate it.
Guess what:
I know that these things exist. I also know that I am at this time not as interested in them as I am in spending my money on other things (boating, hot-rodding, racing: cars, boats (sail boats, too), horses, overlanding, traveling the world, being out in nature with ZERO electronics out of cell phone reach (with but a GPS locator beacon [I actually intentionally live where there is no cell phone signal]), etc.
I guess that I just enjoy not following what others do (or caring much about how they do it) but doing my own thing.
 
All the things that you mention, I know about their existance & what the "benefit" is. But here is why I do not care about them:
Using them involves having a computer in the system or using a phone or phone like device to link to the stereo.
These are things that I turn OFF or at least silence when not in immeadiate use.
Which is absolutely the reason that people like us do NOT want to do it.
So you are wasting your time, as well as the time of us that want our CD players in the system and not a computer in the system to make the system operable (or needed to change a setting.
I deal with computers enough in my daily life, I want my stereo to operate without involving one. Unless it is inside the product, such as the CD player, to take care of it's functions. One of my TT's has computer controlled servos. One has no computers at all. But I do not need a computer (or phone, a type of computer) to make it work.
Obviously, I am not against computers, just against needing to use a stand alone computer to operate my stereo.
Also, anyone that calls me, well I hope they don't expect instant access to me. Because that is not likely to happen. And if you called without leaving a message (unless you are my mother or my wife) you are not getting a return call.
The phone will most likely be in the car or the house & I will most likely to be no where near the phone (or the phone may even somewhere that I forgot where I put it). It is least likely to be on my person.
The phone is for MY convenience, not the convenience of others.
I do not sit around in one spot more than 2 or 3 minutes. If I am awake, I am probably in motion (sitting, standing, walking, doing something other than sitting still. Usually even when eating, I am not sitting in one spot (unless I am somehow at a formal dinner [not likely but it has happened] & being relatively still for that long took great levels of concentration {this is also why most chairs at my house have wheels, so that I can still be moving around in relatively small areas})
If the EQ is not a stand alone DEVICE (such as dbx gear), I am not interested in computerized filters, eq, etc (such as VST, BACCH & DIRAC) unless they are in their own devices and once set, do not need a computer attached to them.
Yes, I know: some of them actually are or can be stand-alone & that is a future project.
I do not want to deal with anything that constantly uses qwerty to access it or operate it.
Guess what:
I know that these things exist. I also know that I am at this time not as interested in them as I am in spending my money on other things (boating, hot-rodding, racing: cars, boats (sail boats, too), horses, overlanding, traveling the world, being out in nature with ZERO electronics out of cell phone reach (with but a GPS locator beacon [I actually intentionally live where there is no cell phone signal]), etc.
I guess that I just enjoy not following what others do (or caring much about how they do it) but doing my own thing.

Then you do you. If OP is in a similar boat as you he may make similar choice.

I just bought these today. I cannot say that I’m not a little bit excited about the cover art and booklet that accompanies the music.


 
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Vinyl. streaming, climate, traffic, breasts, smog, energy, immigration; Words that have no place in this thread, unelss somone decides to have fun with words.

So...after all this...."late 90s" or "something current"?
If you must, compose your answer by using as many of the above words as possible in your answer.

If you are using translation software, run your response through a couple of languages so the meaning can get sufficienly twisted...
I disagree 100% about vinyl, cassettes, & Reel to Reels. For me the object is to make them the best that they can be (an ongoing & ever changing challenge). But with things like modern phono stages (& the PUFFIN [or if you don't mind being computerized, the waxwing) and many other things that can get the SINAD up, for us, it is a great information highway. And major steps up for those formats. I feel sorry for those that feel there should be no more development in these formats.
What if development had stopped at the CD for digital? (As far as I'm concerned it did, as far as what I can hear is concerned, after the 1990's). But the eq, DSP, etc (that can benefit all formats) would not have been developed.
Then you do you. If OP is in a similar boat as you he may make similar choice.

I just bought these today. I cannot say that I’m not a little bit excited about the cover art and booklet that accompanies the music.


I put my main computer in the shop yesterday for some updates.
The computer that I am using has no audio.
But I am looking forward to checking this out in a few days when I get my deskstop computer back and hooked back up to its speakers. (Klipsch Promedia heritage 2.1) to listen/see to the preview.
 
Lads, I have a tonne of CDs and would like to put them use. I do stream at times but I prefer to use a CD player as a transport with the DAC(also an AK chipset) in my integrated amp. I am unfamiliar with the quality of this particular transport/laser and whether this would be a sound investment if used, both as standalone unit as well as a transport.

The used CD player I am considering(£200) which I can get hold of has these specs:

24 bit dac - AK4324VF,

I believe it has a Sony Transport - KSS-213C which is found in a few Audio Note and Accuphase players.

Alternatively, would I be better off getting a brand new CD player like an entry level Denon DCD 900NE(not sure of the transport) @ £400 with an internal ES9018K2M Dac that plays 24- bit/192-kHz, as well as DSD 2.8MHz and 5.6MHz tracks (not SACD though)?

Let me know your thoughts. Thank you.
I bought a Marantz SA8001 SACD player back in the 80s. It was Stereophile’s lowest-priced Class A” SACD/CD player at the time ($999), discounted $300 because their SA8003 had just come out. Worth every cent (I’d had cheap CD decks until then - just zeroes and ones, am I right?)
Wonderful sound quality, tamed those strident CD highs, and every bit the equal of vinyl played on the Dual CS5000 with Grado cart I had at the time. And it’s been 100% reliable for 30 plus years now. If you can find a used one, grab it… the only down sides are it’s RCA-only, and you can’t stream directly to it.
 
I bought a Marantz SA8001 SACD player back in the 80s.
SA-CD was put on the market at the end of 1999 and the SA 8001 has been released in 2006. ;)
 
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SA-CD was put on the market at the end of 1999 and the SA 8001 has been released in 2006. ;)
Ha! Right you are, and thank you! My owners manual was printed in 2006, and the SA8003 was introduced in 2008, so I must have purchased my SA8001 leftover in late 2008 or early 2009. Now I’m curious… I’ll have to dig out my receipt :)
 
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I have a wonderful Kenwood DP-M7730, a cartridge-based CD player from 1992. (Six CDs per cart. I think it cost ~$400 then, which is something like $5 million today.)

Anyway, every single unit out in the wild is now out of alignment. (There are always listings for these and their cousins on ebay, the sellers always saying they work "good." Not. Most units in the wild will play a coupla discs out of the six in a cart, but never all of them.

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For years I've been meaning to fix (i.e., align) mine. But I keep putting it off, because the cost of aligning it is more than it cost new. The biggest obstacle is you have to make your own alignment disc, because the ones made by Sony back in the day are no longer available. (Occasionally one comes up on ebay but they want $75, and I'd never pay that to get a possibly scratched and nonworking disc.)

And then you gotta buy a scope. The old Tek/HP ones which I used at school and work years ago are way too expensive. And I've been reluctant to try those $300 Chinesium digital scopes, which seem to be all menu driven. (As opposed to rotary switch driven. I'm afraid if I apply to a $300 Chinese scope the forces we used to use to twirl all those Tek switches, the thing will break in my hand.)

TL;DR: I have the expertise, but not the patience nor the willingness to spend the money. But those Kenwood cartridge players are beautiful. Plentiful in bars back in the day. The Kenwood carts players are also more amenable to restoration than the Pioneers, which I think have a ball bearing in their cart, which makes them failure prone.
I must be a lucky guy...I've owned mine since new and it and the remote control still work flawlessly. I just put a laser cleaner disc in it from time to time.
 
I must be a lucky guy...I've owned mine since new and it and the remote control still work flawlessly. I just put a laser cleaner disc in it from time to time.

Thanks for this. This is amazing info. Every single unit I've seen in the wild -- and I've bought multiple "donor" decks on goodwill and ebay -- has the defect I described. Perhaps judicious use, care and not jostling the unit (as happens when they were in bars, which was a very common application for these changers) has preserved yours.

Hey, if you ever wanna sell it, I'm interested!
 
Thanks for this. This is amazing info. Every single unit I've seen in the wild -- and I've bought multiple "donor" decks on goodwill and ebay -- has the defect I described. Perhaps judicious use, care and not jostling the unit (as happens when they were in bars, which was a very common application for these changers) has preserved yours.

Hey, if you ever wanna sell it, I'm interested!
My unit has moved with me from Spain to the US, England, Germany, Belgium, and back to the US - and five interstate moves. Still have the original box and styrofoam packing material and that stuff has worked like a champ. Don't know if I'd ever sell, it , though...:)
 
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