Should I exchange my Philharmonic Audio HTs for Genelec 8361a's?

[holdingpants01]

Change the Profiler Preset to None instead of Manual and you have more control but you will need to set it for each monitor as it doesn't do it globally when set to None.

on both my systems it switches to manual the second I change any setting, so no, the "none" setting is there to bypass it quickly

 

[holdingpants01]

Genelec should get creative with the looks. Hire a few painters to give some big The Ones a complete makeover. They could be classy, classical, groovy, Mondrian, waifu, impressionist, whatever they like ... Make a big thing of it on the web site and other marketing channels. Sell some as unique one-off The Ones but also a few YouTubes explaining techniques for custom paint jobs that don't void the warranty.

Those big frontal wave guides are just asking for it, don't you think?

Maybe you or someone else in the house would enjoy, for example, something like the Wedgewood Wild Strawberry design.

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for the love of God please no, though I'm not worried they would ever do something like that

 

[Esprit]

Maybe you or someone else in the house would enjoy, for example, something like the Wedgewood Wild Strawberry design.

No

 

[Behrelec 37]

Here you can see the size difference, 8260a is the same size as 8361a and next to it is 1237a.

I highly recommend considering buying bigger masters if listening to music is the most important thing in your life. Because 1237a wooden cabinet and its midrange bring out energy in a completely different way than what 83xx ones series gives. Sure ones series is super good, but with genelec ones series you can't get the honest authority and credibility that live sound brings out like how 12xx master series speakers give it all out.

 

[Sam Ash]

@Behrelec 37 - do you also have Genelec surrounds for when you are watching movies?

 

[Behrelec 37]

Sam Ash.

Yes, I have a few years old Onkyo RZ 5100 - 11.2 channel Analog/XLR
Multichannel amplifier. It's quite nice for movies. But it ruins the sound for music. I've been playing with it for a few years, but for about a year now I've only listened to everything in digital stereo.

I dream of a complete digital multichannel system, but I definitely wouldn't spend more than 5000 euros on something where mostly component parts cost a few euros. I've looked at almost all the affordable options on this forum with a sharp eye, but I haven't found an affordable solution yet. I've also used the Onkyo RZ 5100 in such a way that the main speakers 1237a are always digital and the side and rear speakers have been 8260 and 8340 and the 7071a subwoofer has been connected to the Onkyo in analog. Of course, all volume ups and downs are handled by two volume controls, which is not the most optimal solution in the long run. Of course, GLM is the future I'm trying to move towards when it comes to volume solutions in the future.

 

[Sam Ash]

Sam Ash.

Yes, I have a few years old Onkyo RZ 5100 - 11.2 channel Analog/XLR
Multichannel amplifier. It's quite nice for movies. But it ruins the sound for music. I've been playing with it for a few years, but for about a year now I've only listened to everything in digital stereo.

I dream of a complete digital multichannel system, but I definitely wouldn't spend more than 5000 euros on something where mostly component parts cost a few euros. I've looked at almost all the affordable options on this forum with a sharp eye, but I haven't found an affordable solution yet. I've also used the Onkyo RZ 5100 in such a way that the main speakers 1237a are always digital and the side and rear speakers have been 8260 and 8340 and the 7071a subwoofer has been connected to the Onkyo in analog. Of course, all volume ups and downs are handled by two volume controls, which is not the most optimal solution in the long run. Of course, GLM is the future I'm trying to move towards when it comes to volume solutions in the future.

Very interesting! - by the way is GLM able to accommodate for multiple subwoofers? Example 4 or more?

 

[Behrelec 37]

As far as I know, yes, to a limited extent. But not as different channels but chained into one channel? I have no experience other than my friend's 1238a and 7380a subwoofer, which my friend and I listen to a lot of digital music with and loudly!!! . That 7380a is a terrible cannon, and it is still more than enough for the 1238a speakers, but not for the 1234a speaker that follows it, unless you buy two subwoofers.

I listen to digital all the time myself, but the split digital sound goes through the eversolo before the genelec 9320a controlli adjustment, which allows me to also get my genelec analog 7071a subwoofer to work seamlessly with my main speakers via the peq/equalizer in the eversolo. Of course, the eversolo volume adjustment works via the remote control when I want to increase the volume level of the subwoofer like this.

The 1237a then works mostly with either its own remote control or the 9320a controller that is now on the table. Full digital is the goal, but there is no way to buy a new subwoofer right now. It works great this way already.

 

[Pearljam5000]

You could also consider the S360

 

[Behrelec 37]

Pearljam 5000.

That S360a has also been on my mind from time to time.

Is it good? I don't have any major experience with these. I've only heard a little of these at the local Helsinki audio fair, but only as side speakers in a multi-channel test. a few years ago.

 

[Sam Ash]

As far as I know, yes, to a limited extent. But not as different channels but chained into one channel? I have no experience other than my friend's 1238a and 7380a subwoofer, which my friend and I listen to a lot of digital music with and loudly!!! . That 7380a is a terrible cannon, and it is still more than enough for the 1238a speakers, but not for the 1234a speaker that follows it, unless you buy two subwoofers.

I listen to digital all the time myself, but the split digital sound goes through the eversolo before the genelec 9320a controlli adjustment, which allows me to also get my genelec analog 7071a subwoofer to work seamlessly with my main speakers via the peq/equalizer in the eversolo. Of course, the eversolo volume adjustment works via the remote control when I want to increase the volume level of the subwoofer like this.

The 1237a then works mostly with either its own remote control or the 9320a controller that is now on the table. Full digital is the goal, but there is no way to buy a new subwoofer right now. It works great this way already.

Your friend has some serious equipment, quite an investment.

So if multiple subs can be daisy chained as one channel, can one access the settings of each individual sub in the chain within GLM? Preferably in one window?

 

[Behrelec 37]

Glm is capable of millions of different sound images and sound changes. Most of the people in the audio industry, 98 percent of them, really don't realize/and are super-aware as adults that GLM is a super versatile sound editing device, as if you walk through millions of mirrors in a hall of mirrors and you choose the mirror you like best from which the sound image is formed for yourself.

There is no limit to the level of saturation in terms of sound comfort because you can even copy the sound stage of other audio speaker manufacturers for yourself, if you are smart and are looking for the raw truth. Of course, this requires your good memory and the seriousness of changing the glm software to manipulate the sound image/rhythm/volume to your advantage. Q/gain and hz are symbio and with each modification the emphasis on the rhythm changes and thus the image in the mirror changes depending on how many steps you take?

The sound can also change in the other direction, i.e. become tense and tense, which is not a good thing.
Only by manipulating the sound can you get a satisfactory result if the automatic calibration is not to your liking.

 

[Mort]

I was very disappointed with GLM and am staying with DiracLive. I do not use subs with the 8361a. The corrections were not effective in a square room.

 

[Behrelec 37]

Mort

Oh, that's a shame. In my opinion, the GLM controls are the finest at the base of the speakers. You can adjust the sound to many different sound variants.

 

[Mort]

Oh, that's a shame.

I'm not happy about it either. It was a major point in favor of Genelec.
When I say I'm using DiracLive, it's actually a combo of manual REW PEQ and a sweep from DiracLive.
Dirac on it's own is about the same as GLM imo.

I did figure out how to customize the curve a little better, but it's really not a good interface for that.
My intent is to keep playing with it. I've not given up.

 

[Sam Ash]

Glm is capable of millions of different sound images and sound changes. Most of the people in the audio industry, 98 percent of them, really don't realize/and are super-aware as adults that GLM is a super versatile sound editing device, as if you walk through millions of mirrors in a hall of mirrors and you choose the mirror you like best from which the sound image is formed for yourself.

There is no limit to the level of saturation in terms of sound comfort because you can even copy the sound stage of other audio speaker manufacturers for yourself, if you are smart and are looking for the raw truth. Of course, this requires your good memory and the seriousness of changing the glm software to manipulate the sound image/rhythm/volume to your advantage. Q/gain and hz are symbio and with each modification the emphasis on the rhythm changes and thus the image in the mirror changes depending on how many steps you take?

The sound can also change in the other direction, i.e. become tense and tense, which is not a good thing.
Only by manipulating the sound can you get a satisfactory result if the automatic calibration is not to your liking.

@Behrelec 37 - I like the way you've explained the whole concept very interesting. I understand that GLM treats the sub channel as a single channel even if one uses four subs. However, my question is - does GLM let you tweak the settings for each individual sub and what are those settings that can be tweaked?

 

[Sam Ash]

I'm not happy about it either. It was a major point in favor of Genelec.
When I say I'm using DiracLive, it's actually a combo of manual REW PEQ and a sweep from DiracLive.
Dirac on it's own is about the same as GLM imo.

I did figure out how to customize the curve a little better, but it's really not a good interface for that.
My intent is to keep playing with it. I've not given up.

I do appreciate REW as a tool, are you using it in conjunction with a MiniDSP?

 

[Behrelec 37]

My hifi competitor friend's room where I listen to Toto via Apple Music. The speakers are 1238a /7380a and there is only 8030c on the floor.

 

[Behrelec 37]

 

[Behrelec 37]