Should hard drugs be decriminalized and then supply pharmaceutical grade drugs to users.

[Sal1950]

how to address the #1 cause of death for Americans under the age of 50

Are they, I didn't know that, but at the same time I have a problem trusting the "man" and his statistics.
Over the years we seem to go from one drug "crisis" to the next. From laudanum, to heroin, to cocaine, to meth, to crack, to pharma speed (uppers, diet pills, etc), to acid, mda, shrooms, etc, to pharma sleeping pills (barbiturates, quaaludes etc,) ,to PCP (horse tranq), to ??? I know I'm missing more.
In any case over the last 100 years we've gone from one crisis to the next. I don't know if it's the government needing to constantly find a new boogieman that he needs to go to war with to protect us from ourselves. Or just that the public is always looking for a new buzz, experience, new whatever.
But that's just the way of man, long past time to quit locking people up for being human.
Just ask Huey,

 

[Doodski]

Or just that the public is always looking for a new buzz, experience, new whatever.
But that's just the way of man, long past time to quit locking people up for being human.

The public has been using drugs for a longgg time. I think you are on track with the new buzz and experience stuff. Myself I use cannabis for the calming effect, the enhancement of music listening and for plain old boredom relief. As per alcohol I don't drink often but when I do I like to binge drink and get hammered. It's always been that way. I can sip a 40 ouncer bottle of whiskey over a week although I don't drink that much overall and prefer cannabis now that it is legal and $85-$105 for a ounce is economical over the 28 days to a month that it lasts for me. Prohibition must end. As per the government backing drug distribution for nefarious reasons other than the British dealing opium in China and the CIA trafficking coke I can't remember a government distributing illegally unless we count in corrupt countries that don't traffic and don't seem to be concerned about drug syndicates in their country because they are probably corrupt officials/tribal elders skimming. I can say this for sure when shrooms are legal in Canada I'm going too have a small shroom farm for myself at home and be a happy camper. I like zoomers (my name for magic shrooms).

 

[Sal1950]

I can say this for sure when shrooms are legal in Canada I'm going too have a small shroom farm

Ah I thought they were legal when you showed me that link where you can buy the grow kits. Is growing legal or are they just looking the other way from the web?
I don't pay attention to any of those drug conspiracy tales. Everyone involved from the President to the street hustler is lieing and pursuing their own agenda. Glenn Frey (RIP) nailed it right on the head when he wrote the song Smuggler's Blues.
To tell y'all the truth, over the last 50 years since I left the army there isn't much I haven't used and abused. I went to this party in 1971 and it hasn't ended yet. Whatever I do I do to extremes, chronic abuser. I gave up the booze around 1990 when I woke up on the wrong side of my motorcycle one too many times. But still when riding with the club every weekend is a contest to see who falls first and last. LOL
Booze really sucks as it mentally and physically disables you from normal functioning worst than most any drug I can think of. And then leaves you feeling like shit the next day on top of it all.

 

[preload]

Are they, I didn't know that, but at the same time I have a problem trusting the "man" and his statistics.

And if you don’t know, now you know.

 

[Doodski]

Ah I thought they were legal when you showed me that link where you can buy the grow kits. Is growing legal or are they just looking the other way from the web?

The spores are not illegal to possess just the shrooms are. Growing is illegal as is possession.

 

[Phorize]

So, what’s the overall ASR policy position on this and do we have financial backing to lobby whoever to do whatever it is demands doing?

 

[Sal1950]

So, what’s the overall ASR policy position on this and do we have financial backing to lobby whoever to do whatever it is demands doing?

Policy, LOL, yea right.
We worry about getting gear to review, that's all.

 

[Phorize]

Policy, LOL, yea right.
We worry about getting gear to review, that's all.

Do you mean to say all this time we’ve just been talking?! I thought we were going to stick it to the man.

 

[caught gesture]

If the environment can be polluted with toxins and I don’t get a say, then why can’t I pollute my body with whatever the hell I want.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

I'd settle for THC gummies being legalized in Tennessee.

 

[Doodski]

I'd settle for THC gummies being legalized in Tennessee.

Ya'll Americans need to get the federal gov to legalize it. Can that be done in the USA? That's how we did it in Canada. Right across the country it's legal.

 

[Sal1950]

Ya'll Americans need to get the federal gov to legalize it. Can that be done in the USA? That's how we did it in Canada. Right across the country it's legal.

Workin on it.

 

[KCEname]

Ya'll Americans need to get the federal gov to legalize it. Can that be done in the USA? That's how we did it in Canada. Right across the country it's legal.

The Federal Government can't force the states to legalize it but they if they did that it would Ease things for the industry.

 

[Dogen]

Ya'll Americans need to get the federal gov to legalize it. Can that be done in the USA? That's how we did it in Canada. Right across the country it's legal.

I’m not sure that will happen anytime soon in the US. Drug laws are much too useful in oppressing certain groups of people in enough States to make it a non-starter.

 

[Longshan]

The Province of British Columbia in Canada is lobbying the federal government to legalize hard drugs. Many people think this is a solution including the front line medical workers. Cannabis is already legal Canada wide under federal law. The war on hard drugs is not succeeding and there are some thousands of people dead from hard drugs in British Columbia each year. The total amount of hard drugs related deaths around the world must be huge and the perpetrators are not being brought to justice. So legalize or not?

The evidence says yes.

 

[Blumlein 88]

I’m not sure that will happen anytime soon in the US. Drug laws are much too useful in oppressing certain groups of people in enough States to make it a non-starter.

The drug laws are not about oppression. I think they could use plenty of change, but the laws in place aren't due to anyone intending to oppress other groups.

 

[Doodski]

Whatever I do I do to extremes, chronic abuser. I gave up the booze around 1990 when I woke up on the wrong side of my motorcycle one too many times. But still when riding with the club every weekend is a contest to see who falls first and last. LOL
Booze really sucks as it mentally and physically disables you from normal functioning worst than most any drug I can think of. And then leaves you feeling like shit the next day on top of it all.

I have a addictive personality too. I don't mix with coca cola, ginger ale or any other soft drinks with my booze because they make me feel yucky the next day. I like to mix with V8, clamatO and fruit juice in my beverage. I drink my rye, whiskey, bourbon all straight up. It makes a huge difference and I can wake the next day feeling pretty good.

I've had 10 scoots myself and I started in the dirt @~age 12-13 I think . Worked nights bar waiting in a very large Italian restaurant as a lounge and restaurant bar server. I saved my money and bought a 2 stroke enduro bike for ~$800.00 (Honda Mr 175) and progressed to put ~30,000 miles on the odometer in the dirt riding fire access and logging roads in the mountains of British Columbia. So by the time I got a Japanese sport street bike at ~the legal drinking age I was young and dumb, pretty gung ho and apparently figured I was invincible. The result was I was riding stoned on cannabis around the countryside after pints of beer in the strip bar etc and had a 100 mile/hour wipeout/laydown at the end of a corner and walked away with small scratches with slightly damaged levis, jumped @~50 miles/hour off a 15 foot high highway embankment onto grass and landed on the wheels and the forks where pretty bent and I had a couple of more bruises, and I slipped on ice and slid under the back of a dodge dart and walked away from that one with a veryyy painful black bruise from my hip to my ankle. Very lucky I was. Now I won't even get in a car to drive or on a bike if I have had a sip of booze. So I've been there but I don't see a reason to be a teetotaler. I just adjusted my actions and intention and carry on.

 

[KCEname]

The drug laws are not about oppression. I think they could use plenty of change, but the laws in place aren't due to anyone intending to oppress other groups.

They were put in place by people intending to control marginal groups that they believed were prone to criminal behavior. Poor immigrants in the early part of the 20th century; then young black urban males after the Great Migration from the southern states to northern cities.

 

[preload]

The drug laws are not about oppression. I think they could use plenty of change, but the laws in place aren't due to anyone intending to oppress other groups.

...written by someone who does not belong to an oppressed group.

 

[Phorize]

...written by someone who does not belong to an oppressed group.

So what? The veracity of an argument, especially one about a macroeconomic/legal policy, is derived of its epistemology and empirical value. The identify of the person making it is rarely interesting. Obviously drug laws impact more in deprived communities for a whole host of reasons, and their history in the US in particular is highly racialised, but none of this makes the identify of a person relevant in a reasoned discussion. It would have sufficed to say ‘I don’t agree with you for xyz reasons’.