Serious Question: How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent? Are that many confused?

[QMuse]

My question is whether this increases the ringing of frequencies beyond what an equivalent minimum phase boost to the FR would do or not.

In case of very low damping factor and very heavy membrane I would say it does.

 

[solderdude]

But only frequencies where the speakersystem (resonance frequency) is present (impedance elevated). 1kHz or tweeter ringing, if present, with just very slight increase in speaker impedance won't be damped better. Only the lower frequencies. For ported designs the resonance frequency is mostly damped acoustically. At that point one also sees the impedance hump is dipped to almost DC resistance.

While interesting subject... this thread is about DAC and sound signatures.
Perhaps create a new thread about damping factor or post/read in this thread?

 

[hyperplanar]

But only frequencies where the speakersystem (resonance frequency) is present (impedance elevated). 1kHz or tweeter ringing, if present, with just very slight increase in speaker impedance won't be damped better. Only the lower frequencies. For ported designs the resonance frequency is mostly damped acoustically. At that point one also sees the impedance hump is dipped to almost DC resistance.

While interesting subject... this thread is about DAC and sound signatures.
Perhaps create a new thread about damping factor or post/read in this thread?

You’re right, apologies for getting off-topic! Thanks for the link, I think it answered my question.

 

[Jimbob54]

While interesting subject... this thread is about DAC and sound signatures.
Perhaps create a new thread about damping factor or post/read in this thread?

Is there anything that is on topic that could be said in this thread not already covered at least 16 times?

 

[solderdude]

I am surprised the thread became this long anyway.

It could have ended by simply replying to those that make certain claims with just the famous: 'uh-huh'

 

[andreasmaaan]

And now we are only one small step away from discussing dumping factor for the 157th time on this forum.

"Dumping factor" - amazing typo

 

[Jimbob54]

I am surprised the thread became this long anyway.

It could have ended by simply replying to those that make certain claims with just the famous: 'uh-huh'

It seems also to have become a "Should I? ", "I want to buy X" dump too. Hence , folks here being terrifically helpful, the endless loop of "but I read that X DAC is [insert subjective opinion]"

 

[QMuse]

"Dumping factor" - amazing typo

Eh, what to say..

 

[PenguinMusic]

I am surprised the thread became this long anyway.

It could have ended by simply replying to those that make certain claims with just the famous: 'uh-huh'

Hum... I'm not convinced.

 

[PenguinMusic]

I have a hd 650 too. But the b and o is more faster and cant hear low end with the hd 650.

Hi,

You have a B&O headphone ?

Which one ? I have one too and that is the one I love most...

 

[QMuse]

Eh, what to say..

Let me explain in more detail how I see it: my Android Phone self learning AI spelling checker seemed to develop a mind of it's own. Most of the time it is doing a really good job in helping me translate my thoughts to English, but sometimes.. Anyway, I have learn to accept it and live with it.

 

[zepplock]

Dumpling factor anyone?

 

[Wes]

Temporal masking is solid psychoacoustics

Who put the 'psycho' in psychoacoustics?

 

[Objectivist01]

Who put the 'psycho' in psychoacoustics?

it makes sense, as it’s perceived acoustics as opposed to physical world acoustics. Has to do with mind, hence psycho acoustics. Wise men design their devices To get the right numbers of what is perceivable.

 

[Objectivist01]

Hi,

You have a B&O headphone ?

Which one ? I have one too and that is the one I love most...

H6 gen 1, I use it only outdoors and when I need to listen to something electronic as my hd 650 has too much roll off in low bass.

 

[ahofer]

But, what if I listen to a device and like it despite the fact that it measures poorly ?
Am I wrong picking that up instead fo the one offering better measures but that I did not liked when I performed subjective listening tests ?

Great as far as I’m concerned. It’s what I do when I prefer my Harbeths to speakers with better measured dispersion.

What I try not to do is insist that I have golden ears, or that the measurements don’t matter or can’t capture everything.

In a world where we can’t listen to every piece of equipment (let alone at home), using measurements as a guide, correlating them to the things I *have* heard, and questioning things they suggest I only thought I heard, also helps me make the most of my $ as a consumer.

 

[Sal1950]

Who put the 'psycho' in psychoacoustics?

Norman Bates

 

[Jimbob54]

Norman Bates

He sure as shit heard things that weren't there.

 

[solderdude]

"Dumping factor" - amazing typo

Maybe the Quad 405 has a current dumping factor ?

 

[Wes]

you guys are making me miss getting dim sum - please stop