Serious Question: How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent? Are that many confused?

[Purité Audio]

Sadly the majority just believe manufacturers marketing, searching for audio nirvana endlessly replacing one unit after another even though they almost certainly sound the same.
Keith

 

[BDWoody]

A few posts moved in.

 

[VientoB]

Placebo effect is strong. We see it with power cords, we see it with cables, and we see it with DACs. Anyone is susceptible to it, even highly intelligent people. And it's very hard to change a lot of people's minds on that.

 

[Purité Audio]

We hear that sentiment a lot ( I don’t think we need the xenophobia) it is always from those who unfortunately do not know how things actually work or understand what their measurements mean.
Stick around and learn something.
Keith

 

[JustJones]

welp, since all my posts have been forced here for no real reason I'll say what I think on the topic. DAC measurements do not tell the whole story and have been cheated by incompetent designers at topping and other chi-fi companies (not all chi-fi though, some of them are making great stuff) and they're just chasing numbers while disregarding actual sound quality. These high SINAD dacs usually sound absolutely terrible (boring at best, painful at worst). The best dacs I've heard have measured well but not exceptionally

Kudos for your service to subjective prattle, you can return to audiogon or similar hole with your DAC badge of honor.

 

[BDWoody]

As a reminder:

Let's Avoid the Term Chi-Fi

I often see the use of the term "Chi Fi" to describe audio products from China. I see the intention and don't think anyone is trying to be racist and what have you. Still, I like us to show the highest respect to products from around the world. As avid readers of this forum know...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[BDWoody]

welp, since all my posts have been forced here for no real reason

No, it's because you are spreading a lot of of nonsense, and this is where we contain it so it doesn't pollute the rest of the forum.

 

[womanofscience666]

As a reminder:

Let's Avoid the Term Chi-Fi

I often see the use of the term "Chi Fi" to describe audio products from China. I see the intention and don't think anyone is trying to be racist and what have you. Still, I like us to show the highest respect to products from around the world. As avid readers of this forum know...

www.audiosciencereview.com

ah, sorry, I wasn't aware, I'll edit it

welp, since all my posts have been forced here for no real reason I'll say what I think on the topic. DAC measurements do not tell the whole story and have been cheated by incompetent designers at topping and similar companies (not all similar companies though, some of them are making great stuff) and they're just chasing numbers while disregarding actual sound quality. These high SINAD dacs usually sound absolutely terrible (boring at best, painful at worst) and the best dacs I've heard have measured well but not exceptionally

 

[womanofscience666]

Kudos for your service to subjective prattle, you can return to audiogon or similar hole with your DAC badge of honor.

never heard of audiogon, I'm just enjoying the music I like though products I think sound good. Sorry if that hurt your feelings, I'll do my best not to offend you

 

[womanofscience666]

No, it's because you are spreading a lot of of nonsense, and this is where we contain it so it doesn't pollute the rest of the forum.

enjoying music is nonsense? Well, maybe if you're using Topping dacs since they're miserable experiences but this hobby is about the music and enjoying it

 

[Purité Audio]

ah, sorry, I wasn't aware, I'll edit it

welp, since all my posts have been forced here for no real reason I'll say what I think on the topic. DAC measurements do not tell the whole story and have been cheated by incompetent designers at topping and similar companies (not all similar companies though, some of them are making great stuff) and they're just chasing numbers while disregarding actual sound quality. These high SINAD dacs usually sound absolutely terrible (boring at best, painful at worst) and the best dacs I've heard have measured well but not exceptionally

I wouldn’t describe the engineers at Topping incompetent, thoughtful, and diligent perhaps.
As I mentioned you have to understand how components work and what their measurements mean.
Otherwise you end up sounding a little foolish.
Keith

 

[BDWoody]

never heard of audiogon, I'm just enjoying the music I like though products I think sound good. Sorry if that hurt your feelings, I'll do my best not to offend you

This isn't starting very well, and you are coming across as a new troll on a mission to see how quickly she can be shown out.

These ranting posts that are based on oft heard propaganda with zero actual evidence aren't going to advance anything.

Please back off the snottiness or move along.

 

[BDWoody]

enjoying music is nonsense? Well, maybe if you're using Topping dacs since they're miserable experiences but this hobby is about the music and enjoying it

Ok, I'm going to give you a little time out to just read and get a feel for the place before we continue.

 

[Mr Swing King]

I have still to find a modern dac that sounds different under blind conditions.
It’s funny how much science is lauded over most audiophile sites when it comes to new drivers and gear in general…but trying to get those sites to look at the science behind our hearing, bias and general perception and suddenly, it’s useless.
It’s a strange way of cherry picking…but then again when wallets and egos are in the mix, all bets are off.

 

[Roland68]

enjoying music is nonsense? Well, maybe if you're using Topping dacs since they're miserable experiences but this hobby is about the music and enjoying it

May I then ask which DACs, in your experience, provide a better listening experience than, for example, Topping DACs?

 

[JustJones]

never heard of audiogon, I'm just enjoying the music I like though products I think sound good. Sorry if that hurt your feelings, I'll do my best not to offend you

Sure

 

[boxerfan88]

it's a new Topping DAC. Topping products are generally terrible both in sound and quality and their support is terrible

Wow … that’s an extremely sweeping statement.

Out of curiosity, could you describe “terrible in sound” in a little more detail?

And which DAC model was it that sounded terrible to your ears?

 

[VientoB]

it's a new Topping DAC. Topping products are generally terrible both in sound and quality and their support is terrible

How do you know Topping products generally sound terrible?

 

[NTTY]

Otherwise you end up sounding a little foolish.

Not a little

 

[oleg87]

ah, sorry, I wasn't aware, I'll edit it

welp, since all my posts have been forced here for no real reason I'll say what I think on the topic. DAC measurements do not tell the whole story and have been cheated by incompetent designers at topping and similar companies (not all similar companies though, some of them are making great stuff) and they're just chasing numbers while disregarding actual sound quality. These high SINAD dacs usually sound absolutely terrible (boring at best, painful at worst) and the best dacs I've heard have measured well but not exceptionally

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