Serious Question: How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent? Are that many confused?

[GXAlan]

249 pages into this thread, I finally acquired the Sony TA-ZH1ES to measure which has a pretty common sound signature description of *not* being neutral.

Transparent via null comparison to a digital music source using PK Metric, but enough distortion to measure similarly to a Western Electric 300B tube product too...

Sony TA-ZH1ES: A DAC/Headphone Amp with a Sonic Signature?

Sony TA-ZH1ES: A DAC/Headphone Amp with a Sonic Signature? Stop. やめる. Halt. Arrêt. You probably shouldn’t read the rest of this post, it's triggering. There's a lot of speculation even though there are a good amount of measurements too. If you're looking for a transparent DAC/headphone...

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[Spkrdctr]

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I hate to admit this, but that is me into the wee hours of the night. I can't control myself. I need serious therapy. Or drugs. Maybe drugs would be the way to go............

 

[ahofer]

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DACs have a unique job to do that is not required of any other component. And which is impossible to achieve. The DAC has to reassemble accurately the analogue signal that has been smashed into billions of small pieces when converted to digital. No DAC can do this with total accuracy in the time domain. It is possible to spend $50,000 or more trying to do a job that would be unnecessary if the signal remained analogue. In general, more expensive DACs will give results nearer to the analogue signal.

The sheer BS tonnage on that site is extraordinary. All doled out with a condescending tone of expertise.

 

[fpitas]

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"More expensive sounds better" No surprises.

 

[krabapple]

Do those fools really believe that vinyl or tape exhibit 'total accuracy' in the time domain?

 

[solderdude]

minus the wow and flutter time domain issues of course...

 

[Spkrdctr]

Do those fools really believe that vinyl or tape exhibit 'total accuracy' in the time domain?

Yes, but they do not say which time domain. Using the multiverse theory, what they say may be true in another dimension from ours. So, since it might possibly be true in different a universe time line, they run with it. Anything can be rationalized if you try hard enough. Well, and believe BS.

 

[Spkrdctr]

minus the wow and flutter time domain issues of course...

But the multiverse!

 

[VQR]

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The sheer BS tonnage on that site is extraordinary. All doled out with a condescending tone of expertise.

See, unlike digital, magnetic tape and plastic discs have infinite temporal resolution. That's why tape decks and turntables have infinitely better wow and flutter compared to digital's disgusting jitter.

Please excuse me bandage as I my aneurysm brain.

 

[earlevel]

Do those fools really believe that vinyl or tape exhibit 'total accuracy' in the time domain?

Setting aside the non-linear aspects, frequency response, and daily deterioration of tape (from both time alone and from running over playback heads), it always amazes me that audiophiles are certain that they can hear potential effects 100 dB down from the playing level if it's digital, yet tape print-through is of no concern whatsoever.

 

[fpitas]

Do those fools really believe that vinyl or tape exhibit 'total accuracy' in the time domain?

Setting aside the non-linear aspects, frequency response, and daily deterioration of tape (from both time alone and from running over playback heads), it always amazes me that audiophiles are certain that they can hear potential effects 100 dB down from the playing level if it's digital, yet tape print-through is of no concern whatsoever.

Obviously, we can't hope to hear as well as they do.

 

[Mr. Widget]

The sheer BS tonnage on that site is extraordinary. All doled out with a condescending tone of expertise.

True that... but condescension knows no boundaries.

 

[fpitas]

Gotta think the condescension is mostly synthetic to rile people up.

 

[DonR]

Gotta think the condescension is mostly synthetic to rile people up.

Well... of course someone with limited experience might think that but such an assumption would be simplistic. It is clearly far too complicated to explain to anyone of... lesser education, you see?

/s (jic)

 

[fpitas]

Well... of course someone with limited experience might think that but such an assumption would be simplistic. It is clearly far too complicated to explain to anyone of... lesser education, you see?

/s (jic)

Hey!!! I resemble that!

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[DonR]

Hey!!! I resemble that!

/

To a certain type of individual, most of us here do also.

 

[fpitas]

To a certain type of individual, most of us here do also.

Trolls aren't afraid to make the stupid assertions that team the internet. I guess they do everyone a favor by letting us debunk them.

/Looking on the bright side; silver lining etc.

 

[antcollinet]

Please excuse me bandage as I my aneurysm brain.

I see what you mean

 

[Deleted member 48726]

Can we stop the circle jerk now?
Regardless of how high we think of ourselves and how low we think of others, it comes out as incredibly rude to belittle others like some here do.

I agree with the fundamentals of this forum and I also see believers and flat earthers as out there. But what I don't do is picking them apart on every opportunity.

I will probably get attacked by the group by writing this but so be it.

 

[MaxBuck]

Can we stop the circle jerk now?
Regardless of how high we think of ourselves and how low we think of others, it comes out as incredibly rude to belittle others like some here do.

They're not going to see it, and it's fun to ridicule ridiculous, anonymous people who believe nonsense. No one gets hurt.

I agree that there are better uses of time, though.