Sennheiser Momentum 4 - wired connections?

[Ste_S]

Does anyone know how the wired connections on the Sennheiser Momentum 4 work? You can connect digitally via USB-C, or via an analogue headphone cable.

I wondered if the USB-C connection allows for higher bit rates than via bluetooth, and if the analogue connection bypasses any ADC/DAC process?

 

[Brian Hall]

Does anyone know how the wired connections on the Sennheiser Momentum 4 work? You can connect digitally via USB-C, or via an analogue headphone cable.

I wondered if the USB-C connection allows for higher bit rates than via bluetooth, and if the analogue connection bypasses any ADC/DAC process?

I see a USB charging connector but no analog headphone input on mine.

 

[staticV3]

wondered if the USB-C connection allows for higher bit rates than via bluetooth

It does.

and if the analogue connection bypasses any ADC/DAC process?

Most likely only if you manually turn off the headphone.

If it's turned on, then the analog input is very likely being digitized and EQed, before being sent to the drivers.

If you're curious, a simple multimeter can be used to check that.

 

[Brian Hall]

Does anyone know how the wired connections on the Sennheiser Momentum 4 work? You can connect digitally via USB-C, or via an analogue headphone cable.

I wondered if the USB-C connection allows for higher bit rates than via bluetooth, and if the analogue connection bypasses any ADC/DAC process?

Plugged a USB c cable into my phone (Galaxy S23 Ultra) and into the USB connection on the Momentum 4. Using UPnP with bit perfect turned on, playing a ripped CD from my server it shows:

USB DAC: 44.1khz File: 44.1khz 16 bit.

Tried playing one from Qobuz that I know is 96khz, it gives an error message "Can't resample in bit perfect mode".

Tried another from Qobuz that is 44.1khz 24 bit, it is playing correctly.

It sounds fine.

Turned off bit perfect mode and the 96khz album shows:

USB DAC: 48khz File: 96khz 24 bit.

Plugged the Momentum 4 into my DAP (Hiby R6 3).

Tried playing the 96khz album with UPnP and also with Qobuz.

Both show USB DAC: 48khz.

The DAP can play much higher sample rates, so this is probably a limitation of the Momentum 4, since the USB output of the DAP and phone would be using the DAC in the M4.

Connected the DAP and M4 with Bluetooth. It says the M4 Bluetooth is using aptX HD.

Qobuz says it is playing the 96khz album in 96khz. I don't know if that can be trusted.

 

[Brian Hall]

Looked it up and there is a 2.5mm analog input. I don't have anything with 2.5mm connectors to test with.

This has me curious. Just ordered a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to try it with. Should be delivered Monday.

The Momentum 4 sounds great with bluetooth so I doubt if the analog connection will really sound any better.

 

[staticV3]

Looked it up and there is a 2.5mm analog input. I don't have anything with 2.5mm connectors to test with.

Strange. A 3.5->2.5 cable should've been included in the box:

This has me curious. Just ordered a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor to try it with. Should be delivered Monday.

Please note that there are all kinds of possible 2.5mm pinouts a for single-ended Stereo signal, so whatever cable you bought may not work correctly with the Momentum 4.

 

[Brian Hall]

Strange. A 3.5->2.5 cable should've been included in the box:
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Please note that there are all kinds of possible 2.5mm pinouts a for single-ended Stereo signal, so whatever cable you bought may not work correctly with the Momentum 4.

It may have been and I stored it somewhere thinking I would never need it.

 

[Ste_S]

Plugged a USB c cable into my phone (Galaxy S23 Ultra) and into the USB connection on the Momentum 4. Using UPnP with bit perfect turned on, playing a ripped CD from my server it shows:

USB DAC: 44.1khz File: 44.1khz 16 bit.

Tried playing one from Qobuz that I know is 96khz, it gives an error message "Can't resample in bit perfect mode".

Tried another from Qobuz that is 44.1khz 24 bit, it is playing correctly.

It sounds fine.

Turned off bit perfect mode and the 96khz album shows:

USB DAC: 48khz File: 96khz 24 bit.

Plugged the Momentum 4 into my DAP (Hiby R6 3).

Tried playing the 96khz album with UPnP and also with Qobuz.

Both show USB DAC: 48khz.

The DAP can play much higher sample rates, so this is probably a limitation of the Momentum 4, since the USB output of the DAP and phone would be using the DAC in the M4.

Connected the DAP and M4 with Bluetooth. It says the M4 Bluetooth is using aptX HD.

Qobuz says it is playing the 96khz album in 96khz. I don't know if that can be trusted.

Thanks for doing all that testing. If I’m being honest, I can’t really tell the difference between 320kb/s lossy and hi(gher) res lossless. However, I might as well use the wired USB-C when listening on my laptop or desktop, rather than via Bluetooth, if it’s giving 44/48khz lossless.

 

[deboopi]

I'm using a momentum for some months now and I'm very happy with it.
I've been using through the 2.5 to 3.5 cable, wireless on the pc and smartphone and also wired on the pc.

Now I'm trying to connect it wired through a usb cable connected to my smartphone/
For what I've read the headphone should switch to the wired connection whenever a usb-c cable is plugged in.
In such a case it works although I'm not sure if it is wireless or wired.
When I switch off bluetooth on my phone I do not hear any sound which makes me believe it only works with bluetooth.
When I use the same usb-c to usb-c cable to connect the headphone to my pc (with bluetooth on the pc turned off) it works flawless.

Just wondering how to set it up to connect trough a usb cable to a phone.