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Sennheiser HD660 S vs HD650 - Which side are you on?

dulljadedcat

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In my country in the EU, the 660 S costs $450 and the 650 costs $380. The 6XX from Drop isn't an option because it will take a month and a half to be delivered to me and europeans have to pay import fees.

The question is, which one of the 660 S and 650 do you prefer and why?
 

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For me it's 600 > 650 > 660S.
Technically they're all not that different, not enough to really matter (while the 660S has different drivers, that doesn't matter too much).
The 600 is the cheapest and the brightest sounding, somewhere between Harman and DF, wich I like.
The 660S is clearly related to the other two, but with less presence and even worse bass extension, I just don't get why it is the most expensive one. The 58X is clearly the better deal if you want to go in that direction, even with import fees.
The 660S comes with a balanced cable wich is not needed, all of them are fairly easy to drive.
 
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I remember vocals being noticeably more forward in the mix on the 600 compared to the 650. Vocals on the 650 seemed slighty recessed and less "clear". How does the 660 S render vocals? Are they as forward as the 600, as recessed as the 650 or are they somewhere in between?


For me it's 600 > 650 > 660S.
Technically they're all not that different, not enough to really matter (while the 660S has different drivers, that doesn't matter too much).
The 600 is the cheapest and the brightest sounding, somewhere between Harman and DF, wich I like.
The 660S is clearly related to the other two, but with less presence and even worse bass extension, I just don't get why it is the most expensive one. The 58X is clearly the better deal if you want to go in that direction, even with import fees.
The 660S comes with a balanced cable wich is not needed, all of them are fairly easy to drive.
 

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In my country in the EU, the 660 S costs $450 and the 650 costs $380. The 6XX from Drop isn't an option because it will take a month and a half to be delivered to me and europeans have to pay import fees.

The question is, which one of the 660 S and 650 do you prefer and why?
EQ'ed or Non EQ'ed?
Without EQ they sound different, with EQ they also sound different.
 

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Have HD 660s and i really like their sound (using headphone amplifier)
 

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First i had the 650, then the 6XX and i really liked them.
But i found the soundstage a little too congested, too thick, so i thought i should try the HD600. That was a bad idea, even though the sound was really natural, clear and airy, the overall sound was really lean, very thin bass and kinda glaring compared to the 650. After i sent back the HD600 i've found open box HD660s and bought it. In my opinion, the HD660s is the best out of the 3, close to the 650 sound, but more crisp, detailed, the low end not so muddy, the mid not so overly forward and theres a little bit of extra spark in the high range.
 
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My opinion:

Bass extension: HD58X > HD660S > HD650 > HD600 (with perfect seal of course)
Bass quality: HD660S > HD58X > HD600 > HD650
Mids quality: HD660S > HD58X > HD600 > HD650
Warmth: HD650 > HD58X > HD660S > HD600
Clarity: HD600 > HD660S > HD58X > HD650
Treble quality: HD650 > HD600 > HD660S > HD58X
Treble level: HD600 > HD660S > HD58X > HD650
Smoothness: HD650 > HD600 > HD660S > HD58X
Liveliness: HD660S > HD58X > HD650 > HD600
Neutral sound: HD600 > HD660S > HD58X > HD650
 

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I hate HD660s for instrumental and classical music without EQ.

They have slightly recessed lows and highs in comparison to HD650:

But they are amazing for vocal, Youtube, Twitch, podcasts, etc.

HD660S are also the most relaxing headphones for bedtime among HD600 / HD650 because they don't not emphasize low and high frequencies.
 
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What do you guys think about the HD 560s? I tried both the 660s and the 560s in a store and was surprisingly more impressed with the 560s. I noticed I wanted to keep on listening to them, and when I tried out the 660s afterwards I was done with them within a few minutes and wanted to go back to the 560s.
 

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In my country in the EU, the 660 S costs $450 and the 650 costs $380. The 6XX from Drop isn't an option because it will take a month and a half to be delivered to me and europeans have to pay import fees.
The total cost for the hd6xx in Europe is €270 euro.
$220+$15 shipping=$235
$235/€200 X 23% Vat =€46
€200+€46+€18 Customs service charge=€264
€266+€6 currency charge, Total €270/$315
 
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What do you guys think about the HD 560s? I tried both the 660s and the 560s in a store and was surprisingly more impressed with the 560s. I noticed I wanted to keep on listening to them, and when I tried out the 660s afterwards I was done with them within a few minutes and wanted to go back to the 560s.
I haven't tried the 560S but I believe it has a wider soundstage, so that might be what you're looking for overall.
 

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What do you guys think about the HD 560s? I tried both the 660s and the 560s in a store and was surprisingly more impressed with the 560s. I noticed I wanted to keep on listening to them, and when I tried out the 660s afterwards I was done with them within a few minutes and wanted to go back to the 560s.
HD560S are closer to HD650 by sound signature and have a slightly wider soundstage compared to HD660S:
 

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They all have their subtle differences are areas where they shine. If I could only choose one, coupled with the price at $200, 650 (6XX) is the obvious choice for me.
 

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The total cost for the hd6xx in Europe is €270 euro.
$220+$15 shipping=$235
$235/€200 X 23% Vat =€46
€200+€46+€18 Customs service charge=€264
€266+€6 currency charge, Total €270/$315
VAT is depend on the country. How did you calculate the custom charge?
 

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Everybody shits on HD660S, I think its best sounding out of the box headphone I ever tried, I absolutely love that frequency response!

In world of audio, there are two kinds of frequency response targets, fun and flat. Flat is for the profesionals, its meant for production work not for joy, atleast that is the common opinion. Then there is fun tunning, unlike flat, there is not just one target. The current fashionable fun target curve is the Harman curve and its derivates. Before rise of Harman, the popular curve was the V shape, boosted bass, boosted treble. There is quadrillion unique fun curves made for specific headphones. Each fun headphone with its own one of a kind fun curve.

Here is the thing, I fucking hate all the stupid fun curves, they all sound like shit. Except one, the HD660S. I think its masterpiece. Instead of another V shape or another Harman curve, Sennheiser made something very simple yet very original. They took the super flat response of HD600 and put gentle wide dip from 1 KHz to 5KHz. This simple modification has profound impact on the percieved sound.

1 - 5 KHz is the peak resonance gain of the ear, the shape of your ear boosts these frequencies strongly. Loud sounds mask other sounds that are close in spectrum, this is called frequency masking. By negating this ear gain, the sound falls much flatter on the eardrum. The result is that everything except this 1-5K area sounds louder and clearer becose the ear resonance is the limiting factor of how loud can you play before it starts being uncomfortable.

Its only headphone I ever tried that sounded so perfect out of the box that I had no desire to use EQ, its so fatigue free, pleasant and balanced, its joy to listen, HD650 in comparsion sounds bass bloated and with harsh sparkly treble, HD600 sounds neutral but kind of small and thin. Also, I dont know if pads are different but the soundstage was around 15% wider than HD600/650, I love wide soundstages.
 

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In my experience HD 660S sound very muffled, muddy and lacks detail and doesn't have as smooth texture as HD 650. My HD 6XX has airier sound Also doesn't have the same full bodies sound as HD 650/600/58X (I do wear glasses, the way 58X and 650 are tuned can very well be beneficial when it comes to bass). I also prefer HD 6XX's soundstage and imaging over my HD 660S (that being said, assuming the HD 660S wouldn't be such a mufflefest, they might be quite close). Bass is weak and it's also not as tight as on HD 58X Jubilee. There's somewhat annoyingly pronounced somewhat grainy "hiss, shh" sound which is likely thanks to some kind of slump in mids/uppermids right before ~6K (I think it actually lacks resolution there). In short, when I swap between HD 6XX and HD 660S, HD 660S sound like someone but a pillow between the driver and my ear. It, quite frankly, sound quite horrible to my ear.

The way I perceive HD 660S doesn't seem to be entirely inline with how others seem to hear it. I'm not sure if it just for some reason doesn't work well with my ears or if it just happens to be weird sample. Bass aside even the upper mids and treble sound totally different than on my HD 58X.

Solderdude's HD 58X and HD650 (2017) measurements seem to be quite accurate at least relatively speaking how I perceive those two. When it comes to HD 660S measurements, the bass response makes sense but after that it doesn't.
 

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I have 660S and 560S and I like them both EQ'd. 660S is really nice with Harman target. But I don't dare to turn up bass EQ on them as much as 560S. 560S is real bass cannon with EQ and can go louder than 660S without distorting.
 

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VAT is depend on the country. How did you calculate the custom charge?

I received the hd6xx this week which I got on sale and the total cost was 205€ including all charges.
Drop.com is selling them for $179 with another $10 off for a new account.

There are a couple of variables like if the shipper was Fedex they charge €18.50 service charge for collecting the VAT.
I'm in Ireland and at the moment Drop.com are using DHL who hand off the package to the Irish Post, and they only charge a €3.50 Customs service fee for collecting the 23% Irish Vat.
 
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