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Sennheiser HD600 Review (Headphone)

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btw, if I'm not mistaken. The same or a very similar driver is also used in the HD58x Jubilee, which is similar again to the HD660s. All 150ohm based originally off the HD700 driver I think.

Between all the mentioned headphones there are 2 different design magnet systems/frames. The drivers, however, differ in membrane and damping. The business-end as it were, as well as the baffle and rear damping.
So the drivers may look the same but they are really different drivers.

The HD58X driver is definitely different from the HD560S so it is not the enclosure/baffle. HD560S has angled drivers, HD58X does not.
 
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I actually compared the HD560s, HD600, HD650 and AKG K371 at the same time.
DAC and amp I use is the Anedio D2.
In the end I rated the headphones like this:
HD650 > HD600 > HD560s > K371
This is based on all headphones EQ-ed to the Harman curve with the Oratory1990 measurements and EQ presets (tried several others but these worked best for me).

I found the HD560s to have a less good soundstage than the HD600 and HD650. It was smaller for me especially vertically.
I found with the HD560s that I also had less good instrument separation because all sounds came from the same point while with the HD600 and HD650 I could 'imagine' the bass sitting lower than the treble etc and can separate the instruments that are panned center and playing at the same time.
The HD560s sounded technically good to me but less 'involving' for a lack of a better word. Perhaps also because of this limited soundstage vertically. They did not invite me to hear 'into' the music.
Additionally I found the HD560s less comfortable than the HD600 and HD650.
And there was a left-right balance problem that was immediately apparent with the HD560s (also with the AKG K371 and every headphone with a single chord on one side I've ever tried)

edit: btw, if I'm not mistaken. The same or a very similar driver is also used in the HD58x Jubilee, which is similar again to the HD660s. All 150ohm based originally off the HD700 driver I think.
So if you're looking for an HD560s in a more comfortable headphone with the chord going to both sides then perhaps the HD58x is worth checking out? About the same price as a HD560s too.
I'd be curious myself to check out the HD58x and suspect the better housing would solve my personal soundstage problem with the HD560s but I live in Europe and didn't want the long wait and no return of order from Drop in the US.
That was good that you compared them in the way you did, good process. Strange you thought the soundstage of the HD560s was smaller than that of the HD600/HD650, as it's the opposite for me, but you gotta choose the headphones that work best for you.
 

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I actually compared the HD560s, HD600, HD650 and AKG K371 at the same time.
DAC and amp I use is the Anedio D2.
In the end I rated the headphones like this:
HD650 > HD600 > HD560s > K371
This is based on all headphones EQ-ed to the Harman curve with the Oratory1990 measurements and EQ presets (tried several others but these worked best for me).

I found the HD560s to have a less good soundstage than the HD600 and HD650. It was smaller for me especially vertically.
I found with the HD560s that I also had less good instrument separation because all sounds came from the same point while with the HD600 and HD650 I could 'imagine' the bass sitting lower than the treble etc and can separate the instruments that are panned center and playing at the same time.
The HD560s sounded technically good to me but less 'involving' for a lack of a better word. Perhaps also because of this limited soundstage vertically. They did not invite me to hear 'into' the music.
Additionally I found the HD560s less comfortable than the HD600 and HD650.
And there was a left-right balance problem that was immediately apparent with the HD560s (also with the AKG K371 and every headphone with a single chord on one side I've ever tried)

edit: btw, if I'm not mistaken. The same or a very similar driver is also used in the HD58x Jubilee, which is similar again to the HD660s. All 150ohm based originally off the HD700 driver I think.
So if you're looking for an HD560s in a more comfortable headphone with the chord going to both sides then perhaps the HD58x is worth checking out? About the same price as a HD560s too.
I'd be curious myself to check out the HD58x and suspect the better housing would solve my personal soundstage problem with the HD560s but I live in Europe and didn't want the long wait and no return of order from Drop in the US.

Un-EQ’d, how do you find the HD600 vs the K371?

Does the ultra-low sub-bass make that much difference?
 

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Un-EQ’d, how do you find the HD600 vs the K371?

Does the ultra-low sub-bass make that much difference?
I've got the Drop 6XX and the K371. The bass quality of the HD600 should be similar to the 6XX/HD650 save that the HD650 has a bulge in the mid-bass around 170hz. So, there will be a big drop off in the lower bass without EQ and extra "juice" for both headphones. Plug the AKG K371 into anything, there's more deep bass, doesn't need eq down there unless you might want less bass.

However, unless you're a devoted bass-head, the Sennheiser phones are overall better sounding, more open on top, great with vocals and acoustic musics [save Mahler/Strauss/Bruckner/Wagner and organ music] without eq or additional power [but still needs more than the K371s].
 

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Think about getting the HD560s instead:
I own the HD600 too, as well as some other headphones, and HD560s is for me way better than HD600 whilst also being cheaper. It has the same dependablity & reliability in terms of on head placement not affecting the sound as the HD600, but has better soundstage & better bass, whilst retaining the same clarity levels. But I will say if you're not fussed about soundstage (and bass) then the HD600 is probably just a tiny smidge better.
Yeah I need to replace my 600s I guess. Left channel is starting to get flimsy with connection, and I definitely prefer the aesthetics. I know I will probably like the treble on the 650, but I don't really want a midbass hump in my present tunings. So it's another 600 for me, but I would prefer if Senn could get a definitive product out in the 500-700 range of headphones. Their present offerings seem meh, and I don't understand why. You would think it would be pretty easy to get a solid offering out for say 600 that people are like yep it's a lot better than the 600 series. But apparently they can't.
 

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Yeah I need to replace my 600s I guess. Left channel is starting to get flimsy with connection, and I definitely prefer the aesthetics. I know I will probably like the treble on the 650, but I don't really want a midbass hump in my present tunings. So it's another 600 for me, but I would prefer if Senn could get a definitive product out in the 500-700 range of headphones. Their present offerings seem meh, and I don't understand why. You would think it would be pretty easy to get a solid offering out for say 600 that people are like yep it's a lot better than the 600 series. But apparently they can't.
£50 Maybe just replace the left side of your hd600.
Might be cheaper where you're located.
https://Audiosanctuary.co.uk/sennheiser-replacement-capsules-hd600-hd580p-hd580j-hd580-1-each.html
 

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Yeah I need to replace my 600s I guess. Left channel is starting to get flimsy with connection, and I definitely prefer the aesthetics. I know I will probably like the treble on the 650, but I don't really want a midbass hump in my present tunings. So it's another 600 for me, but I would prefer if Senn could get a definitive product out in the 500-700 range of headphones. Their present offerings seem meh, and I don't understand why. You would think it would be pretty easy to get a solid offering out for say 600 that people are like yep it's a lot better than the 600 series. But apparently they can't.

The spring contacts in the HD600 can be fixed.
 

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The video shows how to replace the springs and what NOT to do.

You can remove the original springs. Then stretch the springs a bit so the spacing of the windings is even again (it will be wider in the middle).
Then, after widening the spring simply reinsert the springs.
Not easy to do. be very careful around the very thin copper wiring.
Doable when you are very careful.
 

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Yeah I need to replace my 600s I guess. Left channel is starting to get flimsy with connection, and I definitely prefer the aesthetics. I know I will probably like the treble on the 650, but I don't really want a midbass hump in my present tunings. So it's another 600 for me, but I would prefer if Senn could get a definitive product out in the 500-700 range of headphones. Their present offerings seem meh, and I don't understand why. You would think it would be pretty easy to get a solid offering out for say 600 that people are like yep it's a lot better than the 600 series. But apparently they can't.
(Well, like I said, for me the HD560s is a lot better than the HD600, but not everyone will think that.)
 

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Got my new pair of HD600s. Wow, these are beautiful. I like all the changes they made to these. The HD600 now looks like a legit set. I will echo some of the packaging criticism. Holy hell did they cheap out on it lol! Mine were not damaged at all luckily. Still have my old box too. My old pair have now been relegated to night time duty from bed and vacations. They are not the greatest anymore for balance I guess.

Did some sweeps and the bass in these is far more balanced. Old ones could have been blown a bit or just too much use over 6 years IDK. But the frequency range in these seems better. Maybe ever so slightly less sensitivity, but damn these are as good as it gets in the price range. I absolutely adore the 600s and will probably never switch.

Especially without EQ I could not stand the midbass and treble in the 650s, but I do still tend to cut the treble a bit on the top end. A little less with these ones, as I said they seem more balanced. My bass was pretty biased on the right speaker with the old pair after so much use.
 

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