Sennheiser HD560S Review (Headphone)

[Bleib]

Under $150: HiFiMan HE-400se
Under $350: HiFiMan Sundara
Under $500: HiFiMan Edition XS

See a trend here?

Drop + Dan Clark Audio Aeon Closed X Headphones? ~500USD​

 

[Music1969]

Drop + Dan Clark Audio Aeon Closed X Headphones? ~500USD​

I was asking about open back though

 

[Bleib]

I was asking about open back though

Whops.. (need to sleep a bit more..)

 

[Music1969]

Whops.. (need to sleep a bit more..)

Or more coffee !

 

[Music1969]

@Music1969
Mogami 2929. #28AWG though, so 6m would give you 1.32Ω resistance per conductor.

Thanks! Is 28AWG on the higher side of typical?

 

[staticV3]

Not really. 26-28AWG is what you'll find in a lot of stock cables.
However, those aren't usually 6m long

 

[Music1969]

Not really. 26-28AWG is what you'll find in a lot of stock cables.
However, those aren't usually 6m long

Yeh I need something for the couch, 4.5m back.

1.5m extra needed to then come up the couch and have a little extra slack.

 

[Music1969]

6m would give you 1.32Ω resistance per conductor.

I have a near 0 ohm output impedance headamp (SMSL SP400 measured here at ASR)

So for the imepedance of 560S headphones, this 1.32 ohm cable resistance per conductor is not an issue at all right ?

no effect on frequency response?

And plenty power for 6m length (voltage drop)

 

[solderdude]

So for the imepedance of 560S headphones, this 1.32 ohm cable resistance per conductor is not an issue at all right ?

No issue as the return wires are separated.
No need to worry about 'Damping Factor' either.

 

[Music1969]

No issue as the return wires are separated.

Thanks! Thats why im keen on 4 conductor

Is this Mogami good to go with? Anything else you would recommend for 6m length ?

 

[solderdude]

I never used any Mogamy, when @staticV3 recommends it is fine.

 

[Music1969]

@Music1969
Mogami 2929. #28AWG though, so 6m would give you 1.32Ω resistance per conductor.

Belden 1804A ?

Same 28AWG

65 ohm per 1000ft = 0.2 ohm per meter = 1.2 ohm (per conductor or total ?) ?

https://www.markertek.com/Attachments/Specifications/Belden/1804AJ5C500-Specifications.pdf

@solderdude

 

[solderdude]

I never used those cables so have no idea if the are supple, low in microphonics and weight.

The wire resistance is totally irrelevant.
The attenuation compared to no cable is 0.07dB.

 

[staticV3]

Looks almost identical except that the conductors don't have distinct colors (typical quad colorway), so make sure you beep test them with a multimeter during soldering so you don't mix up the connections.

 

[Music1969]

I never used those cables so have no idea if the are supple, low in microphonics and weight.

Which 4C cable have you used that you can recommend ?

 

[Music1969]

Looks almost identical except that the conductors don't have distinct colors (typical quad colorway), so make sure you beep test them with a multimeter during soldering so you don't mix up the connections.

The Belden is star quad config - helpful or not really ? Especially over 6m

And for 4 conductors plus shield, you wouldn't use the shield at all right ? Shield stays disconnected both ends ?

 

[solderdude]

I have only re-used headphone cables that came with headphones or re-terminated.
Filters I make use short microphone cables which I buy from either Thomann or Conrad. These cables do not have to have the typical characteristics headphone cables need to have (IMO)
Such as: supple, thin, light weight, easy to solder, no cloth sheathing, tangle free (if possible) and low in microphonics.

 

[staticV3]

From what I understand, you can't really make use of the star quad magic, since it's intended to transmit one differential audio signal, not two single-ended ones, though it shouldn't hurt either.
(Perhaps double helix would be better, but I haven't tried measuring that yet and also don't really know what I'm talking about tbh)

As for the shield, I'd connect it to the 3.5/6.35mm GND and leave it disconnected on the headphone end. Might actually help with 6m length.

 

[Music1969]

From what I understand, you can't really make use of the star quad magic, since it's intended to transmit one differential audio signal, not two single-ended ones, though it shouldn't hurt either.
(Perhaps double helix would be better, but I haven't tried measuring that yet and also don't really know what I'm talking about tbh)

As for the shield, I'd connect it to the 3.5/6.35mm GND and leave it disconnected on the headphone end. Might actually help with 6m length.

Thanks for the advice! I'll order this Mogami

Why have one end connected to shield and other end disconnected from shield?

I understand the logic with some other cables (avoiding ground loop) but for headphones does that make any difference ?

My SMSL SP400 headamp is earthed.

 

[staticV3]

I started a thread about this a while ago. Take a look:

How to wire an electret microphone properly?

I want to properly wire a Primo EM272 electret microphone capsule (specs) to use with battery-powered as well as mains-powered (mic->interface->PC->mains) recorders. Which of these cable layouts would be the correct choice? And Why? Thank you so much for your help!

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