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Sennheiser HD 480 Pro

jean-benoit

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HD 620S is for the consumer
HD 480 PRO is for the professional/studio

The only model they share is the HD 560S/HD 400 PRO and (I suspect) the HD471 and HD 200 PRO

They are separated divisions within Sennheiser.
 
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I don't know what their reference curve is, but it looks to be entirely too bassy. I wonder if the mixer pads would help this somewhat... Unfortunately they don't come with them.
The have also "studio" target curve without the "Harman-style" bass boost:

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Source of above: https://www.soundguys.com/beyerdynamic-dt-770-studio-80ohm-review-15348/
 
When I saw the topic I thought "It is HD480 Classic or HD490 Pro!", but I shall never underestimate the Sennheiser.
The bit of saving grace is this could be it kind of creates a bit of continuity with HD280 Pro and HD380 Pro.

I will copy paste an older reply I once wrote on reddit
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Sennheiser made a mess out of it. Not only series don't mean much anymore, but model number with different suffix might be a completely different construction headphones, and they are generally not against reusing the numbers.
HD - headphone dynamic
HE- headphone electrostatic
HDI - headphone dynamic infrared
HDR - headphone dynamic radio
HMD - headphone dynamic with microphone
RS - radio headphones
TV number HD - Television headphone dynamic (for TV use with longer cable and volume control)
eH - no idea, a short line of cheap 400 series neodymium dynamic headphones got such redesignation
MX - no idea, flathead earphones
CX - canalphones
PX - portables (mainly on ears, but I think there was a flathead with headband as well unless I'm getting confused)
IEM - IEMs (which are canalphones)
PC - headsets for PC use

Series
400 - first line of open back headphones, first model was the legendary HD414 (first dynamic open backs), currently includes closed backs as well
200 - first line of closed back headphones, later some open back 400 models were rereleased as 200
500 - added a bit later for a new HD540 flagship, but later got used for lower models as well, the actual HD500 Fusion was a trash tier headphone released a decade later
300 - added yet later for a new futuristic Expression Line consisting of HD320/330/340 open backs (low to medium tier models), those headphones later got rereleased in black colour under 400 series numbers, while closed back HD300 Pro, HD380Pro, and finally cheaper HD300 were released :P
600 - added for a new flagship HD600 in 1997, the HD600 is however an iteration of HD580, all other models in the series followed the construction design with one exception of weird HD630VB closed back (Variable Bass), but this year we got yet another closed back HD620S
700 - used only for HD700 flagship which failed/was criticized for being treble heavy
800 - used for HD800 which was iteration of HD700, and after it was still criticized for being treble heavy, was further replaced by HD800S :P

The "X" instead of the numbers are how Massdrop designates their cooperation headphones. Hence while for many years people used to use HD6xx to mean any model of the series, now HD6XX means Massdrop HD6XX which is... HD650 :P HD58X is unusual in that it actually isn't like the original HD580, but has its own new driver.

Some suffixes used by Sennheiser
Pro - for professional market which has different distribution channel
S - there were few assumptions, but apparently it just means a new generation driver...
S2 - second iteration of S
SL - Slim Line redesign
SE - Special Edition, used for black edition headphones for Amazon (with the exception of HD4.50 SE...)
SR - no idea, but it was a black edition
X - used once for improved variant (HD414X)
TV - for TV use, replaced the earlier TV prefix
BT - Bluetooth, but not all of the Bluetooth capable models have BT suffix...
VB - Variable Bass, switchable amount of bass
CS - Closed Back, used once I think
Plus - used once for a variant
Light - used once for a variant
3 - early designation of 6.3mm ended low impedance (50Ohm) version
13 - early designation of 6.3mm ended or 600Ohm (or both) version
1 - a variant
II - because 2 would be too easy, and believe it or not, there actually is HD25-1 II...
whatever I forgot about

They also used "." after 4 in a one of 400 series lines, and they sometimes use just 1 or 2 digits instead of 3, with HD25 being a part of Pro line/channel despite not having a "Pro" designation.

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About "S" though, before current HD400S, HD560S, HD660S, HD660S2, HD800S, there actually was HD450S, a direct variant of the old budget HD450 on-ears series which were a lower model to HD480 Classic.
 
Nice analysis which like you write shows that they really have made a mess with their naming.

By the way their consumer division is being sold again:

 
So here is a measurement from my KB501X clone rig - I have noticed that mostly these rig will over compensate the bass with closed backs especially so I think these are relatively excellent measurements.

Here it is compared to the HD490 Pro ( also an excellent headphone ) - these are compensated measurements.

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While the treble will always be different on different heads and measurement rigs I think Sennheiser have done a good job with this headphone.

And for those who know the FT1 here is a comparison and again the treble is much better:

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Overall, I think it's a very good close back. I do hope @amirm can get one to review.
 
sennheisers marketing strategy is to throw them at literally any youtuber/influencer out in the wild, so there are already tons of short videos to not watch.
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makes me wonder what the 620s was for...
You seem to think that the Sennheiser HD 620s and the Sennheiser HD 480 Pro was made by the same company. It actually wasn't (kind of). :D

The swiss company Sonova bought parts of Sennheiser a few years ago. Since then, two Sennheisers exist. And they sell different headphones!
The more famous ones usually belong to Sonova.

https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com -> The part of Sennheiser which belongs to Sonova (HD 620s)
https://www.sennheiser.com -> The "classic" Sennheiser (HD480 Pro / HD 490 Pro)
 

Well, Listener seems to like it.

Pros: Comfortable, good staging, low cable microphonics, good treble response
Cons: slight tonal imbalance (a bit low end forward and slightly recessed upper mids). Probably fixable with some minor EQ.
 

Well, Listener seems to like it.

Pros: Comfortable, good staging, low cable microphonics, good treble response
Cons: slight tonal imbalance (a bit low end forward and slightly recessed upper mids). Probably fixable with some minor EQ.
What a useless review. "I'm going to be measuring these on my head" and "preference boundary specific to me" has got to be the most evil twist on audio measurement science imaginable.
 
What a useless review. "I'm going to be measuring these on my head" and "preference boundary specific to me" has got to be the most evil twist on audio measurement science imaginable.
NOT if you knew what these guys had been up to lately. :)
 
What a useless review. "I'm going to be measuring these on my head" and "preference boundary specific to me" has got to be the most evil twist on audio measurement science imaginable.

Oh hey, I think I literally just replied to you on YouTube! I'mma paste my reply here:
That people ever got anyone to believe that a discussion around audio was anything but subjective is fascinating to me, but I wouldn't call this review "subjectivism" since it obviously doesn't participate in the denial of the usefulness of data.

It's funny that you bring up "evil," because basically any use of measurement data (with the rigs I have access to at least) would entail some acceptance of evil. For example, I have a measurement rig based on the GRAS 43AG-4 but the issue with it (and others like it + the genuine GRAS flat ear-and-cheek rigs) is that it vastly overestimates the SPL below 3 kHz relative to what a human will actually get.

So its a choice between two evils. The first is an industry standard/familiar to others measurement that is likely meaningfully inaccurate to what a human will actually hear. As we see often, this ultimately inaccurate measurement, due to it being familiar, will instill false confidence on the people who see the measurement and don't know its foibles in terms of how accurate it is to a typical human experience. The other evil, and what I opted for here, is an extremely accurate measurement made on a specific human that, by design, stops anyone from overextending the data beyond the person its actually relevant to.I understand the viewpoint that no industry standard test fixture data means its potentially less relevant to the viewers' experience, but when you both A) understand that most of the industry standard rigs have meaningful inaccuracies anyway and B) understand that most data from these fixtures is misused by people who don't understand A, the idea of a measurement without these inaccuracies that bakes in an assumption of not being able to misuse the data overconfidently seems like a compromise that could be worth choosing. Really it just depends on your goals.

Honestly one of the more interesting comments I've seen on one of these videos. Would be a good discussion for a livestream!
I understand now that you're a user here so you may not be super familiar with the inaccuracies I'm referring to. Happy to talk about that more, if you'd like!
 
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You're sounding ominous. Do I want to know?

On topic: these or Beyerdynamic DT 700 Pro X for outdoorsy music production sessions on Ableton Push?
Depends what you need most. When you say "outdoorsy" you mean literally producing outside? Sounds dope. I think I'd prefer the 480 Pro for a few reasons; the extra degrees of cup swivel mean it can be used more effectively on a single ear (the "DJ" coupling method) if you need to, but also I think the headband is a better design for long-term wear comfort too. I also think the HD 480 Pro is better tuned of course, so when it comes to trusting decisions re: volume or frequency balancing, the 480 Pro is likely a better choice for that.
 
For the love of all that's holy...get off your egotistic and consumerist high horse and have some humility for the discipline of science.

You are regurgitating the exact same points your colleagues were criticized for many times. Same train of thought, convoluted grammar, pretentious vocabulary, all sprinkled with condescension. Your confusion and hubris are unreal.
I didn't think I was being rude. Seriously, I just thought I was explaining my position, I didn't mean to come off in any sort of condescending way. I just got the sense you may not be familiar with the reasons I opted to use the data I used, so I offered to explain a bit in case that was why we weren't on the same page.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't lump me in with my colleagues; there are plenty of things I disagree with them about (including valuing the specific brand of skepticism found in spaces like this), and I'm my own person with my own ideas.

In that spirit, I'm still totally open to discussion of your issues with the content, if you'd like. I'm definitely curious to know what specifically about the approach I've taken or what I've said is sending off alarm bells in your head, but I'm also going to be firm that if you're just going to continue with name-calling and unfounded assumptions about my character, I have better things to do than deal with that. Always happy to discuss headphone metrology, though.
 
For the love of all that's holy...get off your egotistic and consumerist high horse and have some humility for the discipline of science.

You are regurgitating the exact same points your colleagues were criticized for many times. Same train of thought, convoluted grammar, pretentious vocabulary, all sprinkled with condescension. Your confusion and hubris are unreal.


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For the love of all that's holy...get off your egotistic and consumerist high horse and have some humility for the discipline of science.
This whole exchange was unnecessarily hostile from you.
 
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