Sealed active subwoofers at a low budget (max 400 euros)

[gasolin75]

Im looking for a little bigger subwoofer and many has a port for extra bass but that often comes with a side effect, port noise, shuffing at medium levels or a little higher

The new elac debut sub can be had for 400 euros and are sealed no port noise,shuffing

Most sub are portede but i kind of wanna look for sealed subs at a low budget like Elac Debut 3.0 DS103 and Speedwoofer 10e prices

What options are there ?

Has any listen to the Elac Debut 3.0 DS103 ? The sub is so new no one has it in stock but many write less than a week if i order one, i just wanna listen to it first

Another thing is some 8" goes down to 40 hz and can play around 115 db and some 10 can go down to late 20hz (28-29hz) with an okay max spl

What is the sweetspot for extention,spl if you wanna call it that (sweetspot), for 8,10 and 12" subwoofer if you at the same time wanna have a little power
to match what max spl you can play with your main speakers ?

 

[DanielT]

Im looking for a little bigger subwoofer....Has any listen to the Elac Debut 3.0 DS103 ?
Big? In my eyes it is a small subwoofer (12.2 x 12.9 x 12.2" / 310 x 328 x 310 mm)

Just remember that a small sealed subwoofer needs a LOT of amplifier power. I had a small SVS 12 sealed subwoofer (SVS SB12-NSD). A nice and good subwoofer but you couldn't play it very loud before the amplifier started to tap out. It had an amplifier clipping light that started flashing. That subwoofer had a built-in Sledge amplifier of at 400 Watt (RMS), and 800 Watt Peak.
The SVS SB12-NSD is physically larger than the Elac Debut 3.0 DS103.
The Elac Debut 3.0 DS103 has a 100 watt amplifier. Actually only: Up to 100W of Peak Power Output :

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1886201-REG/elac_ds103_bk_debut_series_10_100w.html

It's not on my map that I would choose a small 10 inch sealed subwoofer that doesn't even have 100 watts RMS.

 

[gasolin75]

Ever thought about a bigger subwoofer then what i have ?

Havn't heard one since it's so new no one has it stock

It's 100 watt rms https://www.projectorscreen.com/ela...4BrVMF2PlX0sEP9bAnjuWM1ZTwnxPJwRmz2Uwgnq1HwCe

200/400 watt for the 12" and 300/600 watt for the 15" version

 

[DanielT]

Ever thought about a bigger subwoofer then what i have ?

It's 100 watt rms https://www.projectorscreen.com/ela...4BrVMF2PlX0sEP9bAnjuWM1ZTwnxPJwRmz2Uwgnq1HwCe

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I'm just saying that in my eyes, Elac Debut 3.0 DS103 is a physically small subwoofer.
However, only up to 100W of Peak Power Output sounds, seriously, almost like a joke to be able to power up a small sealed subwoofer. Believe me, small sealed subwoofer EAT amp power.

That if I may believe the place where it says 100W of Peak Power Output :

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1886201-REG/elac_ds103_bk_debut_series_10_100w.html

But even if it has 100 watts RMS and 200 watts peak, it's not a lot of power. It's too little for a small 10" sealed subwoofer. Unless you're only going to play it at low volume.

200/400 watts for the 12" double that and it would have been decent...and 300/600 watts for the 15" version..could work.

 

[gasolin75]

As mentioned i havn't heard one

 

[Chr1]

Not sure about the cost where you are, but here in the UK BK subwoofers are highly regarded for the money.
I have a couple of their XXLS400FFs, and am very happy with them.

BK Subs

 

[DanielT]

As mentioned i havn't heard one

Didn't you want to replace your Audio Pro 8 inch subwoofer because you thought it didn't have enough output?

Elac Debut 3.0 DS103. Could be a good subwoofer, but I have a hard time believing it can produce any high volume. Neither your link nor mine says anything about SPL (or did I miss it?). By the way, in your link says : Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) <0.1%
Under what conditions? (THD) <0.1% I don't believe that one bit.

Plus they have a ? at the size of the woofer. They don't seem to have a hundred percent grasp on things:

ELAC DS103-BK Debut 3.0 10" 100W Subwoofer

Debut 3.0 DS103 10" Powered Subwoofer Built with custom drivers and high-efficiency Class D amplifiers, Elac Debut subwoofer deliver tight, distortion-free low frequencies that bring your favourite music and movies to life. Whether you seek subtle bass enhancement or room-shaking impact, the...

www.projectorscreen.com

 

[gasolin75]

Not sure about the cost where you are, but here in the UK BK subwoofers are highly regarded for the money.
I have a couple of their XXLS400FFs, and am very happy with them.

BK Subs

would be to expensive with taxes and shipping

As DanielIT might say, it's only 300 watt peak, that isn't enough (less then 2 db more then the new elac debut and not noticeable if you notice a difference of max 2 db + the difference in sensitivity when playing as loud as the sub can)

 

[DanielT]

would be to expensive with taxes and shipping

As DanielIT might say, it's only 300 watt peak, that isn't enough (less then 2 db more then the new elac debut and not noticeable if you notice a difference of max 2 db + the difference in sensitivity when playing as loud as the sub can)

Wait a minute. I haven't said anything about BK subs.
300 watts can be enough, even more than enough. It depends on the design plus the size of the woofers and the box.

 

[gasolin75]

Didn't you want to replace your Audio Pro 8 inch subwoofer because you thought it didn't have enough output?

Elac Debut 3.0 DS103. Could be a good subwoofer, but I have a hard time believing it can produce any high volume. Neither your link nor mine says anything about SPL (or did I miss it?). By the way, in your link says : Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) <0.1%
Under what conditions? (THD) <0.1% I don't believe that one bit.

Plus they have a ? at the size of the woofer. They don't seem to have a hundred percent grasp on things:
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ELAC DS103-BK Debut 3.0 10" 100W Subwoofer

Debut 3.0 DS103 10" Powered Subwoofer Built with custom drivers and high-efficiency Class D amplifiers, Elac Debut subwoofer deliver tight, distortion-free low frequencies that bring your favourite music and movies to life. Whether you seek subtle bass enhancement or room-shaking impact, the...

www.projectorscreen.com

you can have another link if you want to

ELAC DS103-BK 10" Debut 3.0 Powered Subwoofer – 200W Peak Class D, Sealed Cabinet, 31Hz Low-Frequency Extension, LFE & High-Level Inputs – Black Ash

ELAC DS103-BK 10" Debut 3.0 Powered Subwoofer combines elegant design with powerful performance for an immersive low-frequency experience. Featuring a 10" hi...

creativeaudio.net

 

[gasolin75]

Wait a minute. I haven't said anything about BK subs.
300 watts can be enough, even more than enough. It depends on the design plus the size of the woofers and the box.

it's only 300 watt peak vs 200 watt peak from the elac sub

 

[Chr1]

There are quite a few different BK models.
Worth perusing the range.

 

[gasolin75]

My budget isn't close to £400 or €460

 

[DanielT]

Speaking of the need for amp power in relation to the type of construction and size of the box. Look here, a horn-based bass box. Large. Volume around 900 liters. With a 15 bass woffer. An effective bass construction. Big as a piano but effective. It is powered up with only 50 watts. Which is enough amp power for it.

This driver in the horn:

SB Audience :: ROSSO-15W400

www.sbaudience.com

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Edit:
Regarding design principle. Horn speakers are known for their high efficiency. From that thread:
(it's not me who's commenting, an I-or is doing that)

Given that the efficiency is roughly 10 dB higher than for a 15" bass reflex box of about 100 liters and that the sound pressure level requirements are also not enormous, a measly 1x50 W into 8 Ω is sufficient.

Plus in general it may be of interest:

You should of course optimize all the properties of the system, but often in practice it is a matter of choosing the highest possible crossover frequency because the bass modules have significantly higher sound pressure capacity.

The upper limit frequency for non-detection of direction with bass modules varies with the characteristics of the room and the setup (equivalent absorption area and distance between listening position and bass modules), but typically you can reach up to about 125 Hz without problems here. With bass modules placed near the front speakers you can choose a significantly higher crossover frequency.

All reasoning of this type is based on the front speakers being activated (masking), that the low-pass filtering is steep (at least 24 dB/octave) and that the distortion is low (because otherwise you can perceive the direction of the harmonics).

 

[DanielT]

One more suggestion. IF you can imagine having a ported subwoofer. That is if Yamaha still makes it (maybe it's available as a used one?). It should be within your budget. What Hifi shows, unusually for them to do so, a lab report:
Overall, the Yamaha NS-SW300 shows exemplary performance for a subwoofer of its size.

Yamaha NS-SW300 review

Old technology still highly effective in this subwoofer

www.whathifi.com

If you have the opportunity, borrow one and hear if there is an audible huff and puff port sound/noise when you turn the volume up really high. Or if you have the opportunity to listen to one in a physical hifi shop, if there are any left in Denmark?

 

[gasolin75]

Im asking about sealed subwoofers

I remember reading a review of a yamaha subwoofer with Twisted flare port hawing port noise THAT'S WHY I ASK this time about SEALED SUBWOOFERS

 

[DanielT]

Ok. Fair enough. I'll think of SVS when I think of physically smaller sealed subwoofers. Slightly over your budget though.

Used? Almost within your budget. If you live near Odense?:

SVS SUBWOOFER 1000 PRO MED VIBRATIONS DÆMPENDE FØDDER | DBA

RESERVERET TIL TONY S ...............................................................................................................................SVS SUB

www.dba.dk

Is that a reasonable used price for that SVS subwoofer? I don't know. Check out previous sales of it in Denmark for example:

Used SVS SB-1000 Pro Subwoofers for Sale | HifiShark.com

Used SVS SB-1000 Pro Subwoofers for sale on 400+ second hand hifi sites & shops. Use Hifi Shark to monitor pricing and global availability

www.hifishark.com

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SB-1000 Pro Subwoofer | SVS

Sealed cabinet home audio subwoofer punches well above its class with stunning impact and musicality.

www.svsound.com

 

[gasolin75]

Reserved and way to expensive


My goal was to get some new option for sealed active subs in my price range (to avoid port noise) so i can google it my self what the prices are in denmark and reviews

The 10" Elac debut is so new and almost no reviews (as already mentioned)

 

[DanielT]

Ok, your thread so I'll follow your wishes and stop coming up with suggestions.

It happens every now and then that things that are reserved don't get sold.

Yes, if I read the course correctly, if your budget is max €460, then that particular subwoofer is €75 over your budget. That is unless there is a possibility to haggle a bit, especially if the person who reserved it doesn't pick it up.

 

[Palmspar]

Not sure about the cost where you are, but here in the UK BK subwoofers are highly regarded for the money.
I have a couple of their XXLS400FFs, and am very happy with them.

BK Subs

They have the Peerless xxls driver as far as i know, good driver.