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Screw Amazon - venting time (and warning for others)

Kachda

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This is a vent and a warning for those who rely on Amazon for most of their purchases (as a non car-owning person in NYC, Amazon is quite important).

I bought the Edifier R1700BT from Amazon in late September. On listening to it, I notice the left speaker had some kind of buzzing sound when plaging 80-120Hz sounds (my guess). I played them on my KEFs to make sure it wasn’t a track problem on Spotify. I chatted with an Amazon ‘technical associate’ who asked me to do the usual crap like ‘turn it off and on again’ but nothing fixed it. I asked for a replacement, but he said I would have to return this one and order a new one instead.

So I setup a return but unfortunately I do not have a printer at home so it took me a few days to get the label. I dropped off the speakers at UPS about a week after the return window closed (though I had requested the return about a week before it closed).

After a few days, I got a message from Amazon that my refund had been processed. I noticed that the amount refunded seemed a bit lower than what I paid for it. So I looked through the order history and indeed the refund was short by $22 or so.

So I contacted Amazon and the chat rep told me that I had *damaged* the speakers. I couldn’t believe it because I had returned the speakers in their pristine condition, along with the original packing materials and everything. So I asked them to tell me what damage I had done. And I also told them that Amazon should have notified me that the refund was only partial, since if I had not checked they would have ended up sneakily charging me $22 without me ever realizing it. She said she would escalate and I would hear back in a couple of days.

A week passed by and I did not hear from them so I contacted them again. This time another rep informed me that I was charged a restocking fee not because I had damaged the speaker but they had received it after the return window closed. This is the first time I have experieced this from Amazon since there have been instances in the past where I have ended up going to UPS a few days late. I asked them to show me where in the policy they say that. She sent me a link, but neither I nor she could actually find it on the webpage, but she insisted that her supervisor had told her and even if it’s not on the link she sent me there was nothing she could do. (Funnily enough, googling Amazon restocking fee brings up a link that does say they can charge 20% if item is received late). I spend thousands of dollars on Amazon every year, and I couldn’t believe that Amazon is starting to charge restocking fees if items are received a few days late now (and that too for a faulty item).

I am not happy with Amazon for the following reasons:

1. They sneakily tried to get away with charging me a re-stocking fee. If I had not remember the original cost of the speakers, they would have gotten away with it too. I am not sure how many of us check this since Amazon has always returned the full amount - but be careful going forward that they are not trying to pull a quick one on you.

2. When I contacted them, they falsely accused me of damaging the speaker, even though I sent it back in the exact condition I got it in.

3. After telling me they will investigate and get back to me, they never bothered contacting me again.

4. When I contacted them again, they changed their story to a restocking fee due to delay in receiving it. I think it was late by 5-7 days or so and they gave no consideration to the fact that I do not have a printer at home which is why it took me a few days to get the label.

5. Their own reps cannot point to the policy which allows them to charge restocking fees.

I have cancelled my Prime membership and will limit my shopping at Amazon to bulky items that I cannot source locally. I know Jeff Bezos must be hurting that he’s not a trillionaire yet, so Amazon has resorted to sneaky practices like this to make money. It is high time the US govt. looks at the Amazon monopoly on online shopping.

Be careful with your shopping at Amazon.
 

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A good brick and mortar retailer would not let this happen. Sadly some people do most if not all their shopping on Amazon. I only purchase items that I can't get locally like my Marmot Guides Down Hoody jacket, a inexpensive Timex watch and a USB charger wall wart and some other obscure items. Otherwise I support my local retailers and even the local distillery(s). Additionally the porch pirates are rampant and we have had a couple of packages go missing. Apparently 1 in 3 people ordering from Amazon have had porch pirates steal stuff. I read that the other day.
 

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There are many legitimate complaints against Amazon but this doesn't seem like one IMO. Seems like you are pissed they didn't make an exception for you and so rationalizing it as a victim.

Bad communication happens in large pools of front-line workers not to be taken as some company strategy.
 

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There are many legitimate complaints against Amazon but this doesn't seem like one IMO. Seems like you are pissed they didn't make an exception for you and so rationalizing it as a victim.

Bad communication happens in large pools of front-line workers not to be taken as some company strategy.
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At the risk of appearing as a fanboy, my experience with Amazon is much different ... and I've been with them for more than 20 years. Clear Communication is important, so keep in mind that they have a chat function, one that is made a bit difficult to find and telephones. They have, so far in my experience, reacted fast and well...
 

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You guys know that in Canada, when we ship items back to Amazon, we get the return shipping cost deducted from our full refund?
In other words, we have no free returns on Amazon. :confused:

Not to mention our fastest delivery is only 1 day here, whereas I heard US is as fast as 1 hour? That's insane!
 

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Free Healthcare or free returns, is this even a dilemma?
We are still expensed for the healthcare in Canada it's just that it's more economical the way we do it and health coverage is all covered when one needs it. I can't imagine getting a $150,000.00 invoice for health care. Dental coverage is being discussed and debated too. So we might get "free" dental care too. :D
 

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Let's just stick to the topic of 'amazon rant'...which I'm happy to continue on. ;)

Another point of notice, I've noticing *more and more* packages are being delivered without boxes at all. In other words, only the box from the vendor is there, but not from amazon.
Here's the latest example of something I bought recently:
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It arrived with no amazon box.
If you click 'Ship in Amazon packaging'...which I didn't see at the time of order...Amazon will package in their own box, and with no extra cost to you. So it's like they're promoting shipping items without boxes, so they're saving $?? Makes no sense.

The other day, I received another item, a simple wireless keyboard, without an amazon box either. It wasn't a large package or heavy. What's going on?

It's getting worse, I think.
 

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Let's just stick to the topic of 'amazon rant'...which I'm happy to continue on. ;)

Another point of notice, I've noticing *more and more* packages are being delivered without boxes at all. In other words, only the box from the vendor is there, but not from amazon.
Here's the latest example of something I bought recently:
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It arrived with no amazon box.
If you click 'Ship in Amazon packaging'...which I didn't see at the time of order...Amazon will package in their own box, and with no extra cost to you. So it's like they're promoting shipping items without boxes, so they're saving $?? Makes no sense.

The other day, I received another item, a simple wireless keyboard, without an amazon box either. It wasn't a large package or heavy. What's going on?

It's getting worse, I think.
We've received packages with no packing inside. Just tossed the item in a open box and taped it shut. The boxes I saw where amazon packed items.
 

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You missed the return window. And it was not a surprise. Don't think I'd get too high and mighty about that. And in the end you got away with a $22 re-stocking fee. I'm not seeing a huge issue.

Even if you need a printer plenty of drug stores or copy shops would print something off a USB stick for you. These days you don't even have to do a label. No printer required. Just drop an item off in its box from Amazon with a UPS store and let them see a code you get in email once you have asked for a return. I show it on my phone. Get a receipt and walk away. Usually get credit by the time I buckle up in the parking lot of the UPS store.

I can't think of a single time Amazon didn't treat me well and fairly. Had I gone thru what you described I'd say I missed the return window, and the company let me only pay re-stocking. So I'd feel they'd done pretty well by me.

As for local stores, some would accommodate me more, plenty wouldn't. I'm sorry, but I think you've got egg all on your face for posting this.
 

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We are still expensed for the healthcare in Canada it's just that it's more economical the way we do it and health coverage is all covered when one needs it. I can't imagine getting a $150,000.00 invoice for health care. Dental coverage is being discussed and debated too. So we might get "free" dental care too. :D

Well it’s going to depend on the province/location as well on what costs are covered.
 

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Amazon's posted policy has always included charging restocking fees for damaged or late return items. This is not new. Historically their unusually lenient return policies have driven many brick and mortar chains to loosen their own return rules. Not too long ago nearly all brick and mortar electronics and computer stores charged restocking fees on all opened returned items. They can't do that and stay competitive anymore.

Returns are never really free. The cost is built into the retail price you pay for an item. As someone who seldom returns things, I would rather deal with retailers who enforce their policies and keep prices low. Legend has it that Nordstrom used to accept returns on items they never sold. That is no longer their policy and trying to remain competitive is one of the reasons.
 
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Another point of notice, I've noticing *more and more* packages are being delivered without boxes at all. In other words, only the box from the vendor is there, but not from amazon.
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If you click 'Ship in Amazon packaging'...which I didn't see at the time of order...Amazon will package in their own box, and with no extra cost to you. So it's like they're promoting shipping items without boxes, so they're saving $?? Makes no sense.

The other day, I received another item, a simple wireless keyboard, without an amazon box either. It wasn't a large package or heavy. What's going on?

There is a move within Amazon to reduce the amount of packaging as a "green" effort. It will certainly help lower costs as well but what they are trying to do is a good thing. How much packaging material have you collected/disposed off in the last 3 months?

What Amazon is trying to do with its clout will also help other online retailers.

The problem for Amazon is that so much of the packaging for items is still designed for showroom display, not shipping. When the tectonic shift from local to online happened, they had to take the same boxes and repackage them for shipping, a wasteful effort. So, they have been trying to strong-arm many of the manufacturers to create items in shippable boxes themselves. But not entirely successful so far. They are keeping a list of things that can be shipped on its own and do so when it needs to be shipped as a single item. But they provide an option to have a separate box (for example, you don't want contents to show or if you want to gift the item and want the original box looking new). Eventually they would like to get to the Ikea-like model of everything packaged in plain boxes as they get it from their suppliers so they can be shipped off on their own.

It is OK when people order many items in one order so they can be packed in one box but when they started the free shipping especially for Prime members who will order single items at any time as they need it, the amount of packaging needed exploded. This is very "ungreen" and wasteful.
 
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While I am not pleased about getting charged a re-stocking fee (and $22 isn't really that big a deal), my main issues are the following

i) Amazon did not inform me that they were charging me the fee and for what reason (I wasn't aware of their restocking fees for late returns). If I had not checked the return statement myself and compared it to the original price, I would have never known about this.

ii) The speakers are defective (and I chatted with their 'technical experts' who confirm this and asked me to return it). Why would they 'restock' defective speakers - this would get sent back to manufacturer for repairs correct ? .

iii) Their customer service reps initially claimed I had damaged the speakers though it was returned with no physical damage or any missing components.

In my view, Amazon has no effective competition anymore in many parts of the country (including NYC where many people do not have cars or convenient access to Walmart/Costco in the city) and especially with COVID causing people to avoid physical stores. So while they may have always had such policies they were not enforcing it rigorously to date. But now that they feel secure in their place, they are starting to enforce them to increase their premiums further. My reaction as a customer is going to be try and diversify my shopping to encourage competition and not feed into the Amazon monopoly. Not having a car will make this difficult for a few items, but I'll see what I can do.

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While I am not pleased about getting charged a re-stocking fee (and $22 isn't really that big a deal), my main issues are the following

i) Amazon did not inform me that they were charging me the fee and for what reason (I wasn't aware of their restocking fees for late returns). If I had not checked the return statement myself and compared it to the original price, I would have never know about this.

ii) The speakers are defective (and I chatted with their 'technical experts' who confirm this and asked me to return it). Why would they 'restock' defective speakers - this would get sent back to manufacturer for repairs correct ? .

iii) Their customer service reps claimed I had damaged the speakers though it was returned with no physical damage or any missing components.

In my view, Amazon has no effective competition anymore in many parts of the country (including NYC where many people do not have cars or convenient access to Walmart/Costco in the city) and especially with COVID causing people to avoid physical stores. So while they may have always had such policies they were not enforcing it rigorously to date, but now that they feel secure in their place, they are starting to enforce them to increase their premiums further. My reaction as a customer is going to be try and diversify my shopping to encourage competition and not feed into the Amazon monopoly. Not having a car will make this difficult for a few items, but I'll see what I can do.
I spread my moola around... it's better that way in some terms. :D I try not to purchase too much in one place unless it's my fav grocer shopping trip. :D
 

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^^^On a huge scale, unprecedented.

Another point of notice, I've noticing *more and more* packages are being delivered without boxes at all. In other words, only the box from the vendor is there, but not from amazon.
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The problem for Amazon is that so much of the packaging for items is still designed for showroom display, not shipping. When the tectonic shift from local to online happened, they had to take the same boxes and repackage them for shipping, a wasteful effort. So, they have been trying to strong-arm many of the manufacturers to create items in shippable boxes themselves. But not entirely successful so far. They are keeping a list of things that can be shipped on its own and do so when it needs to be shipped as a single item. But they provide an option to have a separate box

Edifier... I got some Edifier speakers a few weeks ago...first thing I noticed was that the box was the Edifier box, but when I opened it I found that there was another Edifier box inside. (Close-fitting, exact.) All with Edifier branded packaging tape.
 

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As I recall, Amazon started as a book seller? You'd think a book seller would be interested in the First Amendment? I went to order a couple of books authored by Russian academic Alexander Dugin. I discovered that Amazon had banned this author. But no one knows why. I contacted the publisher and they weren't told. You have to guess. The two books were, BTW, Ethnos and Society and Political Platonism--not exactly radical material, or pornography.

My impression is that Amazon (like pretty much all big tech these days) just wants to control the narrative (whatever that is). They are also so big that they appear to be able to get away with whatever. I'll take my business elsewhere, for all the good it will do. FWIW, Barnes and Nobles has not forbidden that author. But I don't think they sell hi-fi gear, so YMMV. LOL
 
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