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Scientific reasons why cables matter for audio
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Perhaps the word "their perceived authority" but that person is absolutely perceiving himself as THE expert (which that person is certainly not, at least not in this case).The review section is quite telling in how these people think:
It’s all about authority with these people. That is basically all they have. It makes it easy to dismiss any argument, simply because they don’t like what it says
On “our side” is the opposite: we dismiss any argument because of who you are, but not because of what you have to say.
Of course. for many: EXPERT is just another name for who wins their own popularity contest.
Yessss!
Sometimes (it has happened in my presence), by reverting back to the original wire -- especially after a reasonably long listening period (say 15-30mins) -- the original cable ends up sounding "better".
Perhaps the same bias effect: the change sharpens the the brain's attention.
(p.s. I didn't watch the vid -- apologies)
Started watching the video but then realised it's that bloke. Seen some of his videos before. Quite ironic that he starts by accusing some people of not knowing what they're taking about since he's up there quite high on that list.
If you're reading this mate, try doing some blind testing first, then look for technical explanations if you still think you need to.
If you're reading this mate, try doing some blind testing first, then look for technical explanations if you still think you need to.
Someone with "poor electronics" needs better electronics. Not an expensive cable.
I too got a kick out of him having no experience in technical matters. But then complains about people like me not knowing things!
It’s a non sequitur or paradox that strikes in high end audio . Some of it is ”poor electronics”
so this could be self fulfilling in some way .Another example is over designing power supplies because your circuit has no feedback ( due to audio religious reasons) and has no pssr and is very sensitive to this .
But the overwhelming cause is the usual sighted biases ofcourse.
About stability and phase margin, see pages 19 and 20.
Of course, life would be easier if audio manufacturers published complete freq + phase response open-circuit + likewise complete source impedance...
Of course, life would be easier if audio manufacturers published complete freq + phase response open-circuit + likewise complete source impedance...
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This is year1 electronic engineering degree material. Anyone with an EE degree will have answered exam questions on this. Anyone designing any circuit with gain (including at audio AND radio frequencies) has had to deal this. This is not some esoteric knowledge known only to the audiophile "wizards".
Cynical as I I’m assuming some of the audiophile wizards don’t know this stuff , or don’t understand it properly ?
Here's what a French magazine published on the subject of speaker cables a few years ago, provoking outrage in audiophile circles...
1 hour! TLDR?
Of course cables matter. They need to be made to spec, serve the purpose well, not break easily, have good hardware to work with, .. quality is no snake oil and a bit more money over amazon basics is worth it for many. Last but not least they have to have a competetive, reasonable price. Because who needs just one cable, right?
The makers of totally overpriced fancy cables have a nice thing going for them. The ones needing reality checks are the buyers of these things. Every time I see a Kimber, Audioquest or whatever I think: wow, this could be another amp. Or pickup. Or I could just send it to artists on bandcamp.
Of course cables matter. They need to be made to spec, serve the purpose well, not break easily, have good hardware to work with, .. quality is no snake oil and a bit more money over amazon basics is worth it for many. Last but not least they have to have a competetive, reasonable price. Because who needs just one cable, right?
The makers of totally overpriced fancy cables have a nice thing going for them. The ones needing reality checks are the buyers of these things. Every time I see a Kimber, Audioquest or whatever I think: wow, this could be another amp. Or pickup. Or I could just send it to artists on bandcamp.
Are you suggesting indirectly that some audio professionals may have commercialized some stuff with "1 year EE" design discrepancies? Or that audio standards are still not framing such points? Noooo, in no way pages 69-70 could relate to any real-life high-end $$$$$ amp, or some common "DAC", couldn't it?
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I let me Stereophile sub expire. Couldn't take the nonsense anymore.
Is there a way to translate the pdf to Engrish?
We also don't hesitate to criticise our "cult leader" and point out any mistakes. Which he makes like any other human, and is happy to be corrected. As it should be.The review section is quite telling in how these people think:
It’s all about authority with these people. That is basically all they have. It makes it easy to dismiss any argument, simply because they don’t like what it says
On “our side” is the opposite: we dismiss any argument because of who you are, but not because of what you have to say.
It's always amusing what kind of reputation ASR has in certain circles and how often it's just projection. "Flat earthers" who believe in scepticism and hard data...
whereisbrian
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It's a scanned document that's been converted to PDF, so it can't be translated automatically.
However, I can translate its conclusion when I have some time.
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pretty sure claude can do this, maybe gpt too. it should be trivial for an llm.
Foreword : "The article on valve amp then on IGBT amp, in which we introduced the problem of links to speakers, occasioned abundant audiophile readers letters, asking us to make a status on cables recommended in HiFi."
Then core of the article implicitly supposes "perfect electronics and speakers" having infinite bandwidth (or alternately brickwall-limited bandwidth) and unconditionnaly stable and perfectly linear.
As such, the article provides and illustrates several calculations about cable resistance, parasitic inductance and capacitance, focusing on cable attenuation vs. frequency, giving some figures as recommendation to qualify cables from "poor" to "special"
"Conclusion : even if theory shows data that seem to confirm parasitic capacitance can impact LF signal, it can be verified that, in practice, this is not perceptible in audio frequencies.
Only parasitic inductance has influence, and seldom influence only, above 15kHz, hence not perceptible to human ear.
Skin effect theory was not introduced in this article because it produces only a decrease of ohmic resistance about 0.0005R. So, willing to take into account such futile change without considering resistances of the speaker crossover filters, which are considerably higher values, would be like counting sand grains on a beach.
No spectacular property is to be expected from those supercable, except their price".
Then they advertise a couple of recipe to make low-inductive cables hence as good or even better in their eyes as supercables.
IMHO : 12 pages in a book called "new electronic" to discuss R, RC, RL attenuation/cut-off w.r.t. ideal source + ideal load? After a couple of article on valve amp and IGBT amp? Wow, it reminds me when I was teenage soldering things that I understand only very vaguely. Less did I measured/characterized :-D
Then core of the article implicitly supposes "perfect electronics and speakers" having infinite bandwidth (or alternately brickwall-limited bandwidth) and unconditionnaly stable and perfectly linear.
As such, the article provides and illustrates several calculations about cable resistance, parasitic inductance and capacitance, focusing on cable attenuation vs. frequency, giving some figures as recommendation to qualify cables from "poor" to "special"
"Conclusion : even if theory shows data that seem to confirm parasitic capacitance can impact LF signal, it can be verified that, in practice, this is not perceptible in audio frequencies.
Only parasitic inductance has influence, and seldom influence only, above 15kHz, hence not perceptible to human ear.
Skin effect theory was not introduced in this article because it produces only a decrease of ohmic resistance about 0.0005R. So, willing to take into account such futile change without considering resistances of the speaker crossover filters, which are considerably higher values, would be like counting sand grains on a beach.
No spectacular property is to be expected from those supercable, except their price".
Then they advertise a couple of recipe to make low-inductive cables hence as good or even better in their eyes as supercables.
IMHO : 12 pages in a book called "new electronic" to discuss R, RC, RL attenuation/cut-off w.r.t. ideal source + ideal load? After a couple of article on valve amp and IGBT amp? Wow, it reminds me when I was teenage soldering things that I understand only very vaguely. Less did I measured/characterized :-D
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