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The best thing you can do for your health is never touch drugs from BIGPHARMA and believe it or not, I've not swallowed their products since 1989. Before 1989 I used to get sick at least twice a year.
I've never touch a product made with cow milk since 1989 including cheese. Goat milk is OK.
At least three times a week I skip the evening meal to let my stomach rest.
I'm 1, 81m high and my weight is 75kg.
I do not have an insurance for health, same for my wife so what if I get a cancer or alzheimer ? All care for these two diseases are free here.
A visit to a doctor is not expensive either : 25€... less if you go to an hospital : 12€.
 

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The best thing you can do for your health is never touch drugs from BIGPHARMA and believe it or not, I've not swallowed their products since 1989. Before 1989 I used to get sick at least twice a year.
I've never touch a product made with cow milk since 1989 including cheese. Goat milk is OK.
At least three times a week I skip the evening meal to let my stomach rest.
I'm 1, 81m high and my weight is 75kg.
I do not have an insurance for health, same for my wife so what if I get a cancer or alzheimer ? All care for these two diseases are free here.
A visit to a doctor is not expensive either : 25€... less if you go to an hospital : 12€.

A sample of 1, maybe 2. Be careful extrapolating your personal opinion to the general population without substantiation. Someone like me might challenge.
 
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I do not have an insurance for health, same for my wife so what if I get a cancer or alzheimer ? All care for these two diseases are free here.
Oh you pay for it, nothings free. France having one of the highest socialist based taxing rates in the free world.
 

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The easiest way to good health is to reduce the size of the plates we are earing on.
 

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Oh you pay for it, nothings free. France having one of the highest socialist based taxing rates in the free world.
It is called wealth distribution. Those who have much more than they need pay a bit more. Wealth is always derived from the common-wealth of the nation. Some are very good at rorting it for themselves via privilege of various sorts.

Don't worry, I believe in Capitalism - just not the unbridled form.

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A sample of 1, maybe 2. Be careful extrapolating your personal opinion to the general population without substantiation. Someone like me might challenge.
Well, you missed the keyword in the post: "bigpharma". Then you know that you are facing a french health subjectivist. You have also big chances that this guy is also an antivax, like 30% of the french population.
 

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Well, you missed the keyword in the post: "bigpharma". Then you know that you are facing a french health subjectivist. You have also big chances that this guy is also an antivax, like 30% of the french population.
I'd like to coin a term: how about BigFooda, as well. All of the world's food problems defined in one word. o_O
 

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I read an article this week on Burger King trialling artificially produced beef burgers in St. Louis. What caught my attention was that Burger King has 59 stores there. If McDonalds, and all of the other fast-food chains are taken into account there is an incredibly huge consumption of convenience processed food in that city.

I prepare and cook most of my food and consider buying-out a treat(of sorts). Maybe I should do it more and then a nursing home will be less of a shock. ;)
 
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I prepare and cook most of my food and consider buying-out a treat(of sorts). Maybe I should do it more and then a nursing home will be less of a shock. ;)
Airplane ready meals and the scent of 3 week old underpants in the air should get you acclimatised.
 

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Just skimmed through this thread. My vote goes for listening to recognized health authorities, historical experience and common sense. As far as I know some of the known historical population groups who consistently have lived the longest have been vegetarian, vegan, almost-vegetarian or pesco-vegetarian - the adventists and the pre-war cohorts at Okinawa, for example. Correlational studies also show that vegetarians or people who eat mainly plant-based on average have better health outcomes than the general population. While the jury may still be out on what the real causal mechanisms behind this actually are, and whether one can get equally good health outcomes with diets based on much animal protein, and what the best short-term diets for losing weight consist of, there is no doubt that people on plant-based diets usually do just fine.

We also know that the human population as a whole will definitely not "do just fine" if we keep on using enormous areas of land for producing meat, instead of planting trees on those areas, which will help suck out C02 from the atmosphere. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/srccl/

As far as I'm concerned, it's an easy choice.
 

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"Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry".
 

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"Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry".
Undigested p-o? :eek: Sorry, and I am a meat eater - in moderation.
 
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By the way I'm antivax, too.
Most of the European countries but France and Italy are just recommending vaccination. In France and Italy you have no choice.
To be honest I need to tell you that 95% of their population has chosen to vaccinate.
What about the 5% that do not vaccinate ? They risk nothing, 95% of the population is vaccinated.
What about me. I've not received a single shot since 1989 because I know some people...
 
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I agree that there are many different diets which can improve overall health. Of course, any beneficial effect from a new diet should always be compared with the quality of the old diet. That’s really the problem with all the “bro science” on the internet. There’s lots of folks who eat ****** foods and are metabolically damaged who have now switched to a slightly less ****** diet. Those people think they’ve discovered the fountain of youth. IMO, veganism is the best example of this phenomenon.

Hominids evolved eating fishes and other meats. Homo sapien brains would have never grown to the extent they have without animinal foods. It is close to impossible to maintain a healthy vegan diet without vitamin supplements. Most vegans are mineral deficient and suffer from a variety of mental health problems, if they do it long enough. The brain needs animal fats.

Low cholesterol is not the goal. The brain uses 25% of overall energy and needs cholesterol to function properly. Cholesterol is a key nutrient.

The cholesterol-heart hypothesis has been shot down. It is clear now that heart disease is not caused by too much LDL-P. The cause is most likely oxidized LDL. What causes LDL to oxidize? That’s the question. The answer is likely hyperinsulinemia.

IMO, the foods to be avoided are:
1. Anything sweet; including virtually all fruits
2. Anything containing refined grain products.
3. Soy
4. Any processed vegetable oil (except olive oil and coconut oil)
5. Any liquid calories
6. Any pre-digested or processed starches.


Don’t be afraid to eat lots of natural animal fats and protein. The older you get, the more you need protein to maintain proper muscle mass. Muscle mass closely correlates with longevity.

It is also very important to exercise on a regular basis. High intensity interval training with lots of compound movements is the most effective and efficient type of exercise. IMO, using repetitive motion machines in the gym is ineffective.
Honestly, LOL @dallasjustice. It’s hilarious that a supposedly science-based forum has a thread dominated by someone spouting quackery and dismissing things he doesn’t like as pseudoscience.
 

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Just skimmed through this thread. My vote goes for listening to recognized health authorities, historical experience and common sense. As far as I know some of the known historical population groups who consistently have lived the longest have been vegetarian, vegan, almost-vegetarian or pesco-vegetarian - the adventists and the pre-war cohorts at Okinawa, for example. Correlational studies also show that vegetarians or people who eat mainly plant-based on average have better health outcomes than the general population. While the jury may still be out on what the real causal mechanisms behind this actually are, and whether one can get equally good health outcomes with diets based on much animal protein, and what the best short-term diets for losing weight consist of, there is no doubt that people on plant-based diets usually do just fine.

We also know that the human population as a whole will definitely not "do just fine" if we keep on using enormous areas of land for producing meat, instead of planting trees on those areas, which will help suck out C02 from the atmosphere. https://www.ipcc.ch/report/srccl/

As far as I'm concerned, it's an easy choice.
A human being needs to eat meat - not a lot of meat - to be healthy ... I know, I know, I know... being vegetarian seems a good choice. I've known some vegetarians that are under the vegetables today.
The first wife of Paul Mc Cartney was a truly vegetarian and she died and she was young. Steve Jobs thought that it was a good idea to eat apples, lots of apples.
People who are living the longest don't eat a lot.
Losing weight is easy, just skip dinner until you're happy with your new weight.
 
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A human being needs to eat meat - not a lot of meat - to be healthy ... I know, I know, I know... being vegetarian seems a good choice. I've known some vegetarians that are under the vegetables today.
The first wife of Paul Mc Cartney was a truly vegetarian and she died and she was young. Steve Jobs thought that it was a good idea to eat apples, lots of apples.
People who are living the longest don't eat a lot.
Losing weight is easy, just skip dinner until you're happy with your new weight.
Your argument is that two random vegetarians died, therefore vegetarianism kills you? “ScIEnCe!”
 

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