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Schiit Midgard Balanced Headphone Amp Review

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  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 6 2.5%
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    Votes: 5 2.1%
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    Votes: 53 22.0%
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    Votes: 177 73.4%

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A measurement of output impedance (vs. frequency, preferably) would shed some light.

The manufacturer's spec of "approx. 2 Ohms" output impedance is weird, though. Don't they know the exact value?
Now even for 32 Ohms transducers 2 Ohms is less than 10% so this is still to be considered voltage (low impedance) drive. Large impedance variations around resonance would surely produce measurable frequency response changes which might be audible.
With regard to damping or distortion control, 2 Ohms does nothing. And it does not matter if that is just a real 2 Ohms series resistor or, say, 0.2Ohms with a mixed mode feedback to produce a 2Ohm effective output impedance.
 
A measurement of output impedance (vs. frequency, preferably) would shed some light.

Yep it could shed some light as well.

The SE output is close to 0 ohm
The fact that the XLR has extra resistors, that arguably on its own, will have no influence and the description mentions the 'Halo' function and 2 different feedback paths at least suggests something is 'done' with the extra resistor in series with the driver.
Otherwise it would have been simpler to just add 2 resistors in series with the output.

It makes sense to either use the - pins of the XLR to either send a 'correction' signal (feedforward) via a small amp that has an approx. R out of 2 ohm or to use it as a sensing resistor and used the sensed current as input to the feedback of the power amp.
 
Of course Schiit also has an AP and made their own report.

The most interesting would be 32ohm SE vs Halo.
One would expect that signal fidelity would improve with such a feature. Of course we also know that most audio aficionados tend to believe such low distortion is unimportant. They are right about that.

When glancing at the results it turns out similar to what Amir found which is SE is slightly better than XLR(Halo) out.
And I mean just slightly far below any audible limits. Of course with pure resistive loads only which do say something.

We see more and higher harmonics in Halo mode (32 ohm)
There also is a hair more higher IMD (not worth mentioning)
All in all the measured differences are too small to matter, let alone be audible.

It looks like the 'Halo' thing is more of a gimmick than something that actually brings improvement other than suggesting the 'Halo' out is more interesting.
 
I wonder how this amp will work with very sensitive IEM's.
Looking for a low footprint desktop solution for Campfire ARA's - but concerned about hiss/noise...
I really like the sound of the Modius and the formfactor here seems to be aligned so from that perspective it would be a nice combo.

Thoughts?
 
Acc. to Schiit the Midgard works well with sensitive IEMs (very low self noise) in low gain (-128dB opposite 4V) so 116dB opposite 1V so -90dB from 50mV.
About 3dB 'worse' noise level as the Magni Heretic.
 
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Yes, but I think this was also the case with Jotunheim which was supposed to work well with sensitive IEM's - but then caused many reports of hiss/noise.
Ara's data:
Sensitivity: 94 dB SPL @ 1 kHz: 7.094 mVrms
Impedance: 8.5 Ohms
 
Jotunheim is 10dB worse than Heretic.

Then there is also the noise spectrum which is not measured but can be of influence.
 
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In 16ohm the 789 (balanced) is just 0.8dB louder than Midgard
In 32ohm the 789 (balanced) is just 1dB louder than Midgard
in 300ohm the 789 (balanced) is just 0.3dB louder than Midgard
In practice an inconsequential difference.

The 789 is about lowest distortion, the Midgard is about the Halo trickery (once established what it does as no one has actually measured what it does).

The Midgard is much cheaper and after the hype dies you should be able to order it from Schiit in a few days and not have to wait for drops.com to release more amps. Also the 1/4th output is going to give out a lot more power on the Midgard.

I already own a THX amp just looking for more power and Midgard seems to have that.
 
I just realized you didn't measure the power from the 1/4th out. Is this amp truly balanced? Is the power the same on the 1/4 and XLR?
 
The Midgard is much cheaper and after the hype dies you should be able to order it from Schiit in a few days and not have to wait for drops.com to release more amps. Also the 1/4th output is going to give out a lot more power on the Midgard.

I already own a THX amp just looking for more power and Midgard seems to have that.

In SE Midgard does have more power than 789 in SE.

Midgard has the exact same power in SE and XLR simply because it is not balanced and thus is basically equal in power of the 789 in balanced mode.
 
Midgard has the exact same power in SE and XLR simply because it is not balanced and thus is basically equal in power of the 789 in balanced mode.

If you already have a balanced DAC is there any downside in using a non-balanced amp with XLR vs a true balanced amp with XLR?
 
Midgard is a balanced amp in the sense of having a balanced topology that receives a balanced signal from the source.

It is not "balanced" when it comes to the headphone output, but thats another matter. So the Midgard benefits from a balanced dac in the matter of noise cancellation and such.

If you already have a balanced DAC is there any downside in using a non-balanced amp with XLR vs a true balanced amp with XLR?
 
No, they were identical.
The frequency response you need to measure is the frequency response OF THE TRANSDUCER not the output from the amplifier. Sending feedback through the transducer is supposed to alter the resonsance frequency (or impedance at that frequency?) and lower distortion.

This effect is more notable in headphones with VARIABLE impedance and LOWER impedance, generally, although one guy at Schiit hears a change with the Senn 6xx.

If you want to see if it "works" then you need to measure the output of a headphone attached to XLR vs attached to the 1/4".
 
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If we had the same plot but from SE output then we could see how different it responds from XLR (shown above)
No you couldn't. You need to measure the output of the headphone. At least I'm pretty sure.
 
I just realized you didn't measure the power from the 1/4th out. Is this amp truly balanced? Is the power the same on the 1/4 and XLR?
The power is the same. It says so in the spec and I confirmed the same.
 
The frequency response you need to measure is the frequency response OF THE TRANSDUCER not the output from the amplifier.
Next you are going to tell me it rains in Seattle. :) Of course I measured the acoustic response of the headphone through Gras 45C and not the amplifier.
 
Next you are going to tell me it rains in Seattle. :) Of course I measured the acoustic response of the headphone through Gras 45C and not the amplifier.
I totally missed it! Peace offering: can I send you an umbrella?

If those results are consistent, if anything it seems to be adding spls in the bass response, but not anything you'd hear.

Might be interesting to measure if there is a change in the impedance/resonance of the headphone too. You have any Grado laying around? Their impedance curves are pretty wonky iirc.
 
No you couldn't. You need to measure the output of the headphone. At least I'm pretty sure.
No, you don't. You only need to apply an actual load and measure across that load. The AP has 2 floating inputs so no need to measure the headphone.
Using a headphone to look at distortion -100dB would be silly as it would drown in noise and the headphone would be determining the distortion.
It would be like trying to measure microns using a tape measure.

No, the amplifier is single ended. It accepts and outputs balanced signals.

The amplifier is single ended. The inputs and XLR outputs on the back are balanced. The SE and XLR4 on the front are both SE.
 
No, you don't. You only need to apply an actual load and measure across that load. The AP has 2 floating inputs so no need to measure the headphone.
Using a headphone to look at distortion -100dB would be silly as it would drown in noise and the headphone would be determining the distortion.
It would be like trying to measure microns using a tape measure.
I thought what the circuit does isn't change the output of the amplifier, it changes the electrical properties of the headphone. Therefore, the distortion level and possibly frequency response of the headphone changes, even though the amplifier measures flat.

You need the headphone because the effect is different with each transducer, depending on the impedance curve/resonance frequency or some such.

This is why I am waiting for the speaker version of this, if one ever comes out, to use with my old Klipsch jobbies.

Here's Jason's description, maybe I am not understanding this:

“So it sounds different?”

“Through balanced, hell yeah,” Tyler said. “Actually I think the balanced is one of the best things you’ve done.”

I shook my head. “’One of the best things’ is pretty marketing-weaselly,” I told him.

“Yeah yeah you know what I mean. This is really really good! What did you do?”

“I tried mixed-mode feedback, kind of a derpy motion feedback thing. Maybe. I mean, if the headphone drivers even flop around that much. Because it’s dependent on back EMF. I mean, we don’t have access to a separate voice coil for real motion feedback, and it might only matter, like, with a 15” woofer in a ported box, but for that woofer you may even be able to get some better measurements, due to damping of the resonance frequency—” (bold added)

Tyler held up his hands. “Wait a sec. Are you saying this might get you better measurements—”

“Not likely with headphones,” I interrupted. “Maybe not likely at all. If it worked at all, it would work best for floppy things, like ported speakers—”

“But if it worked…and it made the acoustic performance better…”

Tyler just trailed off, and we sat staring at each other for a while, not saying anything.

Because if we could create better performance at the transducer, holy crap that was the holy grail. Everything blown up. Because a -110dB and a -120dB amp into a -50dB transducer both give you -50dB for the system.

But if one amp bumped that -50dB to -55 or -60…

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Simple: we don’t have infinite time. Our early results (done by a third party) showed a potential improvement in THD in the low frequencies when run through our mixed-mode feedback topology. Later results were mixed or null. (bold in original) There’s not enough data for us to claim improvement, but there’s also not enough experimentation to say there’s no ‘there’ there.


So, here’s an idea: anyone who wants to try proving a difference, and who has an acoustic measurement rig for testing headphones, contact us. (bold in original) I’m sure we’ll be happy to get you a Midgard to play with. And yes, we promise to report all data, including nulls.

Which, after all, is what I expect: nulls. Because we’re only measuring a tiny corner of the audio universe—steady-state, typically single-sine or low-amount-of-sines for test signals, etc. Transient response, complex signals…we need to look a lot deeper if we expect to find any correlation with subjective results.
 
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