Salon2 vs F328Be

[tuga]

What I get from this is that the F328Be has maybe slightly better midrange and treble, but much worse bass. 35Hz vs 23Hz is a huge difference. I'd bet that the Salon2 still wins their full range blind comparisons, which is where Sean's opinion is coming from.

Less extension doesn’t necessarily mean worse bass, only that the speaker doesn’t go as low.

Edit: there are 3 different parameters:
- quantity/amplitude
- quality/accuracy
- extension

The spinorama is only able to inform about amplitude and extensions

 

[Chromatischism]

Less extension doesn’t necessarily mean worse bass

I think it does. I have never found higher extension to sound better, and I have a switch for that.

 

[tuga]

I think it does. I have never found higher extension to sound better, and I have a switch for that.

It sounds more extended but not necessarily more accurate.

 

[Chromatischism]

It sounds more extended but not necessarily more accurate.

If it's on the source material, isn't that the definition of accuracy?

 

[Senior NEET Engineer]

If it's on the source material, isn't that the definition of accuracy?

Would artist produce the same mix if their system rolled off at 10hz instead of 20hz?

 

[Lsc]

The bass from the salons is something else along with the looks. My F228Be did sound better when paired with a less powerful amplifier but when powered by a more powerful amp, the salons came to life and proved to be superior. Still, it’s pretty good how close the F228Be sounds with the exception of the deep bass.

 

[tuga]

If it's on the source material, isn't that the definition of accuracy?

I am talking about the accurate reproduction of the recorded signal. A speaker may produce more extension (the bass goes lower) but at the expense of HD and IMD and group delay.

 

[al2002]

Distortion, side wall interaction are clear isn't it ?

it is not relevant to the point I was making.

 

[Justaguy]

Sorry for bumping this old thread, but it’s really the best place for this question:


I work for Samsung, so I get a discount on Harman Audio products. I thought it would be a good time to ask which of these two speakers, as well as the F228be and JBL 4367 would be the best in my room/listening situation.

(I’m also aware that the Salon 2 has been discontinued, and it’s presence on the discount portal doesn’t mean it’s available)



My room is (crudely) diagrammed below. It’s 9 feet tall, so the total volume is ~3400 cubic feet. My current setup is a pair of BMR Philharmonirors on stands and a Speedwoofer 10S MKII.

My source is a laptop that goes to a DDRC-24 via USB, then a SMSL SA-50 via RCA. I use this setup for music and general TV/ video watching. I use the DDRC-24 for room correction as well.



With that intro out of the way, what would be the best option? I’m fine adding subs to all speakers mentioned



Also, would I benefit from source upgrades? My dB meter app on my phone has my listening levels ranging from 60-75 depending on my use (media quieter, music louder). The consumerist in me wants to upgrade to a Minidsp Flex balanced with some Buckeye Amps monoblocks, but I’m pretty sure the difference wouldn’t be audible at my listening levels. The setup would be more visually appealing though.

 

[nerdoldnerdith]

Sorry for bumping this old thread, but it’s really the best place for this question:


I work for Samsung, so I get a discount on Harman Audio products. I thought it would be a good time to ask which of these two speakers, as well as the F228be and JBL 4367 would be the best in my room/listening situation.

(I’m also aware that the Salon 2 has been discontinued, and it’s presence on the discount portal doesn’t mean it’s available)



My room is (crudely) diagrammed below. It’s 9 feet tall, so the total volume is ~3400 cubic feet. My current setup is a pair of BMR Philharmonirors on stands and a Speedwoofer 10S MKII.

View attachment 326311


My source is a laptop that goes to a DDRC-24 via USB, then a SMSL SA-50 via RCA. I use this setup for music and general TV/ video watching. I use the DDRC-24 for room correction as well.



With that intro out of the way, what would be the best option? I’m fine adding subs to all speakers mentioned



Also, would I benefit from source upgrades? My dB meter app on my phone has my listening levels ranging from 60-75 depending on my use (media quieter, music louder). The consumerist in me wants to upgrade to a Minidsp Flex balanced with some Buckeye Amps monoblocks, but I’m pretty sure the difference wouldn’t be audible at my listening levels. The setup would be more visually appealing though.

If you are using subs you can probably get away with using a pair of F226Be's

 

[fpitas]

Sorry for bumping this old thread, but it’s really the best place for this question:


I work for Samsung, so I get a discount on Harman Audio products. I thought it would be a good time to ask which of these two speakers, as well as the F228be and JBL 4367 would be the best in my room/listening situation.

(I’m also aware that the Salon 2 has been discontinued, and it’s presence on the discount portal doesn’t mean it’s available)



My room is (crudely) diagrammed below. It’s 9 feet tall, so the total volume is ~3400 cubic feet. My current setup is a pair of BMR Philharmonirors on stands and a Speedwoofer 10S MKII.

View attachment 326311


My source is a laptop that goes to a DDRC-24 via USB, then a SMSL SA-50 via RCA. I use this setup for music and general TV/ video watching. I use the DDRC-24 for room correction as well.



With that intro out of the way, what would be the best option? I’m fine adding subs to all speakers mentioned



Also, would I benefit from source upgrades? My dB meter app on my phone has my listening levels ranging from 60-75 depending on my use (media quieter, music louder). The consumerist in me wants to upgrade to a Minidsp Flex balanced with some Buckeye Amps monoblocks, but I’m pretty sure the difference wouldn’t be audible at my listening levels. The setup would be more visually appealing though.

i know which I'd get. But people tell me I'm biased.

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[Lsc]

Sorry for bumping this old thread, but it’s really the best place for this question:


I work for Samsung, so I get a discount on Harman Audio products. I thought it would be a good time to ask which of these two speakers, as well as the F228be and JBL 4367 would be the best in my room/listening situation.

(I’m also aware that the Salon 2 has been discontinued, and it’s presence on the discount portal doesn’t mean it’s available)



My room is (crudely) diagrammed below. It’s 9 feet tall, so the total volume is ~3400 cubic feet. My current setup is a pair of BMR Philharmonirors on stands and a Speedwoofer 10S MKII.

View attachment 326311


My source is a laptop that goes to a DDRC-24 via USB, then a SMSL SA-50 via RCA. I use this setup for music and general TV/ video watching. I use the DDRC-24 for room correction as well.



With that intro out of the way, what would be the best option? I’m fine adding subs to all speakers mentioned



Also, would I benefit from source upgrades? My dB meter app on my phone has my listening levels ranging from 60-75 depending on my use (media quieter, music louder). The consumerist in me wants to upgrade to a Minidsp Flex balanced with some Buckeye Amps monoblocks, but I’m pretty sure the difference wouldn’t be audible at my listening levels. The setup would be more visually appealing though.

Any of those you listed would be great. All good speakers including F35 and F36 (assuming you are looking to get floor standing speakers).

 

[Hans Of Matrix]

It happens to have both the Salons 2 and the 328 Be in my living room side by side right now. I purchased a used pair of the Salons 2 two years ago and a used pair of 328 Be popped up recently to a ridiculously low price, so I bought them too. So, if you guys have any questions, or want to know something particular shoot ahead. I also have a UMIK 1 and REW.

I don`t want to write down my opinion yet, for the short amount of time I have them both it would be too early.

 

[FrantzM]

It happens to have both the Salons 2 and the 328 Be in my living room side by side right now. I purchased a used pair of the Salons 2 two years ago and a used pair of 328 Be popped up recently to a ridiculously low price, so I bought them too. So, if you guys have any questions, or want to know something particular shoot ahead. I also have a UMIK 1 and REW.

I don`t want to write down my opinion yet, for the short amount of time I have them both it would be too early.

Selling one of the 2 pairs ?

 

[Martini]

Selling one of the 2 pairs ?

Are you looking?

 

[Lsc]

It happens to have both the Salons 2 and the 328 Be in my living room side by side right now. I purchased a used pair of the Salons 2 two years ago and a used pair of 328 Be popped up recently to a ridiculously low price, so I bought them too. So, if you guys have any questions, or want to know something particular shoot ahead. I also have a UMIK 1 and REW.

I don`t want to write down my opinion yet, for the short amount of time I have them both it would be too early.

Are you planning on doing an a/b and keeping one pair? Pretty interesting comparison- I have the salon2 and used to own the F228Be that I sold after I got the salons.

 

[Hans Of Matrix]

Are you planning on doing an a/b and keeping one pair? Pretty interesting comparison- I have the salon2 and used to own the F228Be that I sold after I got the salons.

I'm not planing to sell anything. The logic behind the creation of these speakers, particularly with the Salons, was to achieve the impossible to somehow "normal" prices. These speakers are like the last contribute to the audiophile world of a manufacturer which, like Icarus, almost touched the sun. I think these days are over for Revel. So I don't see them as speakers, more as very high achievements. Every pair stays for sure.

I suppose, I could begin with some REW measurements how the speakers react with the room in my listening position.. I already hear already clear differences in the deep bass domain, and I don't mean that the Salons are getting much deeper than the 328. The bass seems to behave differently between the 2 models. As if the 328 are more "punchy". But also in the other frequency domains they behave differently, so I could tell for now "They are really different speakers and bring forward different aspects of the musical experience for the listener."

So, again: Do you have any wishes or questions? Do you want me to compare something specific? Let me please your curiosity and inquiries.

 

[FrantzM]

Are you looking?

Not exactly, but the asking prices could elicitt a reaction.

 

[Lsc]

I'm not planing to sell anything. The logic behind the creation of these speakers, particularly with the Salons, was to achieve the impossible to somehow "normal" prices. These speakers are like the last contribute to the audiophile world of a manufacturer which, like Icarus, almost touched the sun. I think these days are over for Revel. So I don't see them as speakers, more as very high achievements. Every pair stays for sure.

I suppose, I could begin with some REW measurements how the speakers react with the room in my listening position.. I already hear already clear differences in the deep bass domain, and I don't mean that the Salons are getting much deeper than the 328. The bass seems to behave differently between the 2 models. As if the 328 are more "punchy". But also in the other frequency domains they behave differently, so I could tell for now "They are really different speakers and bring forward different aspects of the musical experience for the listener."

So, again: Do you have any wishes or questions? Do you want me to compare something specific? Let me please your curiosity and inquiries.

Are you using subs with either one?

No other questions regarding sound quality as I’m very familiar with them.