Salon2 vs F328Be

[nerdoldnerdith]

It's also worth pointing out that the F328Be only has a better spin above 9kHz and beyond 45 degrees off axis. I question whether that makes a difference given that there is hardly any content above 8kHz anyway, and the content above that is so quiet that its reflected sound is likely to be imperceptible because of how common materials absorb frequencies that high and how quickly they decay.

There was a test comparing music full range to the same music only up to 10kHz, and people couldn't even tell which one they preferred. If the on-axis importance of this frequency range is debatable, then what can we say about the off-axis importance?

 

[Chromatischism]

There was a test comparing music full range to the same music only up to 10kHz, and people couldn't even tell which one they preferred.

Interesting, I've had speakers roll off after 10 kHz and I think there is a big difference. Very likely content and age-dependent.

 

[al2002]

Interesting thread. I’ve posted my preference elsewhere on this forum, but would like to repeat it here.

When comparing the two, the deeper bass of the Salon was quite noticeable. On acoustic music the the Salon2 also gave a greater isense of spaciousness or envelopment. Overall, I very much preferred the Salon.

It’s s not clear that Revel made the right choice in trading off bass extension for increased sensitivity. Most buyers looking to buy a speaker as large as the 328 expect deeper bass.; I certainly did. A 328 with reduced sensitivity and half an octave of bass extension would have been a better compromise. Yes, one can add subs, but that is not practicable unless one has a very large room and an understanding wife.

FWIW, it took 15 seconds with pink noise to differentiate the two.

 

[Chromatischism]

Interesting thread. I’ve posted my preference elsewhere on this forum, but would like to repeat it here.

When comparing the two, the deeper bass of the Salon was quite noticeable. On acoustic music the the Salon2 also gave a greater isense of spaciousness or envelopment. Overall, I very much preferred the Salon.

It’s s not clear that Revel made the right choice in trading off bass extension for increased sensitivity. Most buyers looking to buy a speaker as large as the 328 expect deeper bass.; I certainly did. A 328 with reduced sensitivity and half an octave of bass extension would have been a better compromise. Yes, one can add subs, but that is not practicable unless one has a very large room and an understanding wife.

A large room is not required, but creativity and willingness to change the room layout is. That requires number 2, the understanding spouse

 

[al2002]

Disagree strongly. In order to do justice to the full output capability of the 328 one would require multiple large subs. No way would they fit in a typical living room.

We can discuss further, but that would lead to a, gasp, subjective discussion on what exactly constitutes a large room and what it means to change room layout..

Understanding spouse? One pair of large speakers in the living room is quite enough, thank you.

A large room is not required, but creativity and willingness to change the room layout is. That requires number 2, the understanding spouse

 

[Zedly]

At this price point, for a two-speaker system, I might favor the Perlisten S7t over either of the Revels. The Perlisten seems to combine the best aspects of both.

 

[al2002]

Never heard the Perlisten S7t, so can’t comment. In any case, speaker choice is a very personal matter.

Not sure what you mean by:; “combine the best aspects of both”.

 

[Zedly]

The Perlisten has the higher sensitivity of the F328Be and the deeper bass of the Salon 2.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

The Perlisten has the higher sensitivity of the F328Be and the deeper bass of the Salon 2.

I don't see the bass extension from s7t anywhere near to the salon no2.

i saw this
https://www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/perlisten-s7t/conclusion

 

[nerdoldnerdith]

At this price point, for a two-speaker system, I might favor the Perlisten S7t over either of the Revels. The Perlisten seems to combine the best aspects of both.

The Perlisten doesn't measure nearly as well as either Revel.

 

[Zedly]

I don't see the bass extension anywhere near the S7T to the salon no2.
I founded this:
https://www.audioholics.com/tower-speaker-reviews/perlisten-s7t/conclusion

In the text following the graph, the reviewer notes that this is a common design in tower speakers accommodate room gain. You can see this in the linear slope from 100Hz down to 20Hz, followed by a normal steep drop-off below 20Hz.

We can see that the response gently tapers off a bit below 100Hz, and this is a very common design; in fact, it’s what we see in nearly every tower speaker I have reviewed. The reason is that domestic rooms will always give a boost to low frequencies whether through boundary gain or pressure vessel gain and usually a combination of the two. So, a loudspeaker with a flat response down to deep bass will end up having bloated bass in practice. This tapered response is always a sensible design decision for tower speakers because it will yield a more neutral bass response in-room. Looking closely, we see what appears to be a first-order slope down to port tuning around 20Hz, and below that we fall off the cliff much more rapidly with the expected fourth-order slope.

 

[al2002]

The Perlisten has the higher sensitivity of the F328Be and the deeper bass of the Salon 2.

To get the higher sensitivity of the 328 AND the deep bass of the Salon2 would require an even larger enclosure volume than the Salon‘s.

Hoffmann’s Iron Law: Efficiency = k * F3^3 * Vb

What is the internal volume of the Perlistens?

Edit: P.S:- Room gain would affect the Revels too. One should compare both sets of speakers without room gain.

 

[q3cpma]

The Perlisten doesn't measure nearly as well as either Revel.

This, the horizontal dispersion is horrible, having a jarring transition from ±90° to ±50° in the very important 3~4 kHz area.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

In the text following the graph, the reviewer notes that this is a common design in tower speakers accommodate room gain. You can see this in the linear slope from 100Hz down to 20Hz, followed by a normal steep drop-off below 20Hz.

As al2002 said room gain would affect both.., salon2 have that extension without gain thats the fun thing..

 

[Lsc]

Interesting conversation. I just bought a pair of salons and I have been trying to convince my wife that I will need to put them in the family room when they are delivered. My family room is 21’ x 19’ with 13-14’ ceilings. We will see if she is convinced by the sheer beauty of the salons vs my F228Be.

 

[Chromatischism]

Disagree strongly. In order to do justice to the full output capability of the 328 one would require multiple large subs. No way would they fit in a typical living room.

We can discuss further, but that would lead to a, gasp, subjective discussion on what exactly constitutes a large room and what it means to change room layout..

Understanding spouse? One pair of large speakers in the living room is quite enough, thank you.

And I disagree strongly.

I have 2 Rythmik FV15HP's in a 1400 cubic foot room and they do not impede any of the walkways. They are equalized to provide better bass than any tower ever could, and they top out at over 120 dB in-room. You're welcome to come hear them.

 

[al2002]

And I disagree strongly.

I have 2 Rythmik FV15HP's in a 1400 cubic foot room and they do not impede any of the walkways. They are equalized to provide better bass than any tower ever could, and they top out at over 120 dB in-room. You're welcome to come hear them.

Well, in a 1400 cubic foot living room I would *not* even put a pair of Salons or 328s, let alone an additional pair of FV15 sized subs.

In my book a large living room is 4500+ cubic feet. If I had a room that size, I'd certainly consider adding subs to the Salons. In that case it's not clear that only two subs would suffice.

As I said a few posts ago, room size, layout, etc. are very subjective matters. Everyone has different tastes and we can debate this topic forever. Anyway, I hope I've made my position clear.

 

[Frgirard]

the link room size - woofer size is a myth.

50 Hz at 95 dB with three 21' or one 6' stayed 50 Hz and cause the same issue. Excepted the distortion and by Neumann "Plane Wave Bass Array™. A benefit of multiple subwoofer systems is the possibility to reduce the side wall interaction thereby."

 

[al2002]

Frgirard, I don't understand what you have written. Would you mind explaining?

There is certainly a relation between acoustic power, room volume and SPL.

 

[Frgirard]

Frgirard, I don't understand what you have written. Would you mind explaining?

There is certainly a relation between acoustic power, room volume and SPL.

Distortion, side wall interaction are clear isn't it ?