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Rotel DT-6000 Review & Measurements (CD Player / DAC)

The only valid test CDs were pressed with extremely precise tolerances, reflectivity, pit/land specs and eccentricity
Right, but how would these affect actual measurements? Which test tones/standards would be in such a disk?
You should be able to find a copy of the CBS CD-1 used by everyone (stereophile etc) and it is a reference.
Found myself. I guess you meant this one:
Will think about ordering one, at least to compare with my created CDR.

While examining the images, I noticed this small metal contact in the rca analog outs and was curious if this is the only metal making contact with the positive plug ?
Honestly, I don't know. I sent back the product, but I may check on the several pictures I shoot if there is any. These are excellent quality RCA female, with strong handling, BTW.

Let's organize a funding campaign for VintageFlanker, if he has the space and is willing.
Nor the time, nor the space, and honestly, not the competence. But, it's OK, I'm not that old, things may change... And 100k€ is not some unachievable goal. :p
 
I like the sheer confidence of this thing where they dont put any digital outs... they are SURE their DAC stage is best ever.

I also wonder why the need to have ORIGINAL test discs?

surely if you were that particular the data written to a CDR would be corrupted because it couldnt *possibly* be the same as the original.
 
Rotel DT-6000 Review & Measurements

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Hi folks,

I am back for another review. Today's one is about the Rotel DT-6000 CD player and DAC. The latter is self-qualified by the company as a "DAC Transport", which sounds a bit unusual. It has been launched in 2022, as part of the Diamond Series line, on the occasion of the Rotel's 60th anniversary (which was really in 2021). The Diamond Series is supposed to fill the gap between the regular 15X2 midrange line and the higher-end Michi electronics. There are only two products: one integrated amplifier, the RA-6000, and the player measured here, the DT-6000. It comes at a fairly high price tag, costing 2299€ as the time of this writing. This sample has been kindly loaned to me for the purpose of this review by Masimo France (formerly Sound United), which is the distributor of Rotel products, at least for EU market.

Rotel definitely remains a traditional, old-school manufacturer. It should be one of the very last companies to still make FM tuners by 2023, as they have very few, if none, raw DACs or standalone streamers listed in their product line-up. As such, they also have a long tradition with classical optical players. While keep releasing CD players in the era of streaming is certainly kind of hazardous, I personally do have a loving relationship with the Red Book format, and would still be in pursuit of buying such a product. Besides, while I am familiar with their amplifiers, I look forward to seeing how a D/A converter from this iconic brand would perform. This unit in particular features an ESS ES9028PRO chip, and would be, as such, the first Sabre implementation in a Rotel product, which previously used Wolfson, AKM and now, TI chips.

The DT-6000 design is quite a departure from the rounded corners we used to see with their previous CD Players and Amps, such as the 1572 or 1592. You got here a much more rectangular drawing. This Player simply looks magnificent. These sides, made of polished metal, are just amazing and there is a very nice grained painting (that you cannot see on pictures) on the top steel. In brief, the build quality is top-notch. The player is rather big (41cm wide, 32cm deep) and heavy (8.1kg) and feel very solid in hands.

You get quite a few buttons on the front, and basically, every command you would need without using the remote. The disc tray seems to be quite sturdy, and works smoothly and silently. The CD playback is also pretty fast, with no disk that I could not read, even the most scratched ones. Definitely a strong quality device overall, for the few weeks I used it.​


The rear first seems very conventional, with both XLR balanced and RCA single-ended outputs. What is not that common, however, is to not see digital outputs at the back of a CD player. Yes, these S/PDIF ports are inputs only, for both optical and coaxial. There is also a USB-B input, that works through and XMOS chip and a dedicated driver. The USB-A is only here for software update.

Since Masimo allowed me to open the unit, you get as bonus a (uncommented) teardrown :​

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Measurements

Disclaimer: Measurements you are about to see are not intended to be as precise or extensive than what you get from a 30k€ AP. There is obviously both hardware and software limitations here, so not quite apples to apples comparison with Amir's testing. Still, this data is enough to have a pretty good idea if the gear is bad or not, stellar, broken, or sub-par...

- Instruments : RME ADI-2/4 PRO SE. E1DA Cosmos ADC (Grade B), Minimum phase filter. E1DA Cosmos APU 60dB preamp is used for DR measurements. Output voltage is measured separately, using a DMM with a 0dBFS 1kHz tone.
- Software : REW V5.20.14, Multitone Loopback Analyzer 1.0.80 and RMAA 6.4.5 PRO,
- Method : 8 runs for each test, then I choose the closest to the average. Bandwidth and sampling rate to be specified for each test.

Note: Prior to this publication, I showed my measurements to Masimo, who put me in contact with Rotel to discuss the results.

I started my tests with the USB-B input and XLR balanced outputs.​

View attachment 302498

Rotel DT-6000 - Summary
Tests
Manufacturer's specs
Results (L & R)
Rating
Noise Level (REW)​
-115dB (stated as SNR)​
-116.0dBA​
Excellent
Dynamic Range (REW)​
99dB​
110.1dB​
Very Good
THD (REW)​
/​
0.00017%​
Very Good
THD+Noise / SINAD (REW)
-103.1dB
-105.3dB
Very Good
IMD SMPTE (REW)​
-98.4dB​
-99.5dB​
Good
Stereo crosstalk (RMAA)​
-115dB​
-115.3dB​
Very Good
IMD+Noise @10 kHz (RMAA)​
/​
0.00149%​
Good
Multitone 32 TD+N (Multitone)​
/​
-88.9dB​
Average

Note: I now use a new column for published manufacturer's specs (when some are available), that gives an interesting comparison between what is advertised and what you buy at the end.​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Frequency Response - 24b/44.1kHz
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Noise Level - 24b/44.1kHz
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Dynamic Range - 24b/44.1kHz
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Intermodulation Distortion SMPTE - 24b/44.1kHzView attachment 302671

Intermodulation Distortion SMPTE Versus Level - 24b/44.1kHz

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THD Versus Frequency - 24b/48kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Multitone 32 - 24b/192kHz
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Intermodulation Distortion + Noise (sweep) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Crosstalk - 24b/44.1kHz

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Alright. My first thoughts here were about the surprising correlation between advertised specifications, and my measured results. For almost every part, the DT-6000 performed according to specs, or a touch above. You may assume that this should be the norm, but it is not. Apart from some manufacturers we often see measured here on ASR, a lot of products on the market are sub-performing in regard to exaggerated numbers. In this case, I am pleased to observe such cohesive (while good but not great) benchmarks.

Now, if I take a step back, I could admit that the performance is not quite there for the high price tag. The SINAD is effectively good, but a lot of cheaper DACs will give you better numbers. Should it be audibly transparent? Most probably: yes. Yet, I have got a couple of issues (say, three, really). First is the USB-B input that shows both strange sidebands in my THD+N FFT, for which I would not mind, since it doesn't affect the THD, not to mention in an inaudible way. The second concern is... a terrible jitter performance. While the noise floor seems acceptably low, the main 12kHz sine wave seems to be kind of desynchronized in every J-tests I have run. I shared this results with Rotel, and they told that they will investigate on it. Sadly, the poor Jitter performance is not related to my specific sample, as you may see in
SoundStage's (Audio Precision) measurements here. Since they did not measure the USB-B input, tho, I will come back to the matter when commenting S/PDIF inputs. At last, I am not satisfied to see, for a product released in 2022, such an "ESS Hump" with IMD VS Level, that most Chinese manufacturers already fixed a long time ago. These aside, the Rotel DT-6000 is doing alright, for a product from a traditional manufacturer, that stayed out of the "SINAD Race" we witness here on ASR.

What about unbalanced RCA outputs?


RCA
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Rotel DT-6000 - RCA Summary
Tests
XLR
RCA
Output Voltage @1Khz​
4.540Vrms​
2.127Vrms​
Noise level (REW)​
-116.0dBA​
-111.8dBA​
Dynamic range, dB (REW)​
110.1dB​
109.6dB​
THD (REW)​
0.00017%​
0.00020%​
THD+N (REW)​
-105.3dB​
-104.3dB​
IMD SMPTE (REW)​
-99.5dB​
-99.1dB​
Stereo crosstalk (RMAA)​
-115.3dB​
-113.5dB​
IMD+Noise @10kHz (RMAA)​
0.00149%​
0.00160%​
Multitone 32 TD+N (Multitone)​
-88.9dB​
-88.6dB​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Noise Level - 24b/44.1kHz
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Dynamic Range - 24b/44.1kHz

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Overall, very consistent results. It is rare to observe such a small drop in performance from XLR. While single-ended obviously catches more hums, it keeps the noise at reasonable levels, and both THD and IMD remain almost on par with XLR. Good.

Let's see if coaxial and optical have the same "issues" as USB...


S/PDIF
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Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Overall, both coax and toslink are performing equal, meaning, a hair better than USB-B. Not regarding raw numbers, which are basically the same, but by looking at the shape of the 1kHz sine wave, that definitely shows a cleaner picture.

Back to Jitter, we do have here a much more stable presentation, with somehow a "readable" 12kHz tone... and a ton of sidebands around it. It still is not a good performance, even if considering the absolute level ultimately too low to be audible. As said earlier, these tests are unfortunately backed-up by AP measurements from SoundStage, that show mostly the same picture. However, when I showed these specific results to Rotel, they reacted very professionally and took the problem quite seriously. They said that their team would investigate and could work on a fix. Could this be done by firmware update only (hypothesis: a DPLL setting too aggressive) ? I hope so. In any case, there was a proposal for testing an eventual updated sample when the investigation would be done.

Now, wait. I just realized that the initial purpose of a CD Player would eventually be to play... CDs.​


CD Playback
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For these last tests, I spent a short time to burn several disks to then decide which tones I would use. Since I would not be able to synchronize sweeps, there were not an option. The continuous tones, repeated for a long period (allowing me repeatability of testing) worked great. As CD is obviously limited to 16bits, I generated my files from both REW and APx Tone Generator, which are basically the same test tones I use for my 24bits testing. The tones are generated 16bits dithered, 44.1kHz.

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 16b/44.1kHz
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This is basically the maximum I could measure from my 16bits dithered file, and as, such, as transparent as it can get for a CD Playback. I remember @amirm finding almost the exact same picture in his review of the Marantz SA-10.

Just for experiment, I tried with a still 16bits PCM file, but this time generated with a 24bits dither:​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 16b/44.1kHz
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While it gives better SINAD numbers, it makes the harmonics unreadable with a very busy and blurry noise floor. I would stick to the 16bits dithered for next CD player reviews.​

Noise Level -16b/44.1kHz
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For some reason, my Noise Level test is as good as what I get from 24b/44.1kHz through digital inputs.​

Dynamic Range - 16b/44.1kHz
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Dynamic Range is as expected.​

Jitter - 16b/44.1kHz
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While not looking that good, this is indeed a texbook perfect 16bits J-test picture, the same I may get when measuring the tone directly in the digital domain. Its ENOB even surpasses 16bits. So, the DT-6000 may do a great job with Jitter after all. It is just a pity that other digital inputs are somewhat flawed on that matter.​



Conclusions

It is not so easy to come with a wrap-up about the Rotel DT-6000. As a pure audio product, I really liked it. It is extremely well-built, it looks gorgeous, and it sounds good. When focusing on specifications, I would say that I praise Rotel for selling a product that performs right on specs, even when it should the very minimum from any manufacturer out there. Now, what about the performance? Essentially good, absolutely transparent for CD playback on one side. On the other hand, mostly sufficient for 24bits contents in audible thresholds. Now, is it technically perfect? No. There are some issues that should not be observable for a product at the price point. Nor that there would be any excuse from such an established company to make some compromises in designing a D/A architecture. As such, I could dot give my "competent" rating to the DT-6000. The Jitter disparities come to mind at first, and their results are not acceptable at this point. Is this specific flaw audible? Not from what I heard, honestly. I also assume that most potential buyers for this Player would intend to pair it with the RA-6000 Amplifier, and I highly doubt that they would be any kind of disappointed, or disturbed by any irregularities in the analog signal. That is for sure, but what we are evaluating here are raw objective results. And in that regard, it falls short of its potential.

On a positive note, I am glad to know Rotel being aware of these measurements, and recognizing that the Jitter behavior would need for a rework. I really hope that they could come up with a fix, as I said, preferably by firmware update. If it is a DPLL adjustment as I suggested, I am sure that they could solve it that way. I sure would be glad to re-test an "updated" sample if Rotel makes the proposal. At last, I would like to thank Masimo France for sending me this sample, always knowing the risk of a bad measuring product that they actually sell. Their efforts for transparency are, again, much appreciated.​

Flanker rating: Good Enough
Great review, and outstanding pictures - I wish all manufacturers would display their stuff in comparable quality.
 
Rotel DT-6000 Review & Measurements

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Hi folks,

I am back for another review. Today's one is about the Rotel DT-6000 CD player and DAC. The latter is self-qualified by the company as a "DAC Transport", which sounds a bit unusual. It has been launched in 2022, as part of the Diamond Series line, on the occasion of the Rotel's 60th anniversary (which was really in 2021). The Diamond Series is supposed to fill the gap between the regular 15X2 midrange line and the higher-end Michi electronics. There are only two products: one integrated amplifier, the RA-6000, and the player measured here, the DT-6000. It comes at a fairly high price tag, costing 2299€ as the time of this writing. This sample has been kindly loaned to me for the purpose of this review by Masimo France (formerly Sound United), which is the distributor of Rotel products, at least for EU market.

Rotel definitely remains a traditional, old-school manufacturer. It should be one of the very last companies to still make FM tuners by 2023, as they have very few, if none, raw DACs or standalone streamers listed in their product line-up. As such, they also have a long tradition with classical optical players. While keep releasing CD players in the era of streaming is certainly kind of hazardous, I personally do have a loving relationship with the Red Book format, and would still be in pursuit of buying such a product. Besides, while I am familiar with their amplifiers, I look forward to seeing how a D/A converter from this iconic brand would perform. This unit in particular features an ESS ES9028PRO chip, and would be, as such, the first Sabre implementation in a Rotel product, which previously used Wolfson, AKM and now, TI chips.

The DT-6000 design is quite a departure from the rounded corners we used to see with their previous CD Players and Amps, such as the 1572 or 1592. You got here a much more rectangular drawing. This Player simply looks magnificent. These sides, made of polished metal, are just amazing and there is a very nice grained painting (that you cannot see on pictures) on the top steel. In brief, the build quality is top-notch. The player is rather big (41cm wide, 32cm deep) and heavy (8.1kg) and feel very solid in hands.

You get quite a few buttons on the front, and basically, every command you would need without using the remote. The disc tray seems to be quite sturdy, and works smoothly and silently. The CD playback is also pretty fast, with no disk that I could not read, even the most scratched ones. Definitely a strong quality device overall, for the few weeks I used it.​


The rear first seems very conventional, with both XLR balanced and RCA single-ended outputs. What is not that common, however, is to not see digital outputs at the back of a CD player. Yes, these S/PDIF ports are inputs only, for both optical and coaxial. There is also a USB-B input, that works through and XMOS chip and a dedicated driver. The USB-A is only here for software update.

Since Masimo allowed me to open the unit, you get as bonus a (uncommented) teardrown :​

View attachment 302492View attachment 302493View attachment 302494View attachment 302495

Measurements

Disclaimer: Measurements you are about to see are not intended to be as precise or extensive than what you get from a 30k€ AP. There is obviously both hardware and software limitations here, so not quite apples to apples comparison with Amir's testing. Still, this data is enough to have a pretty good idea if the gear is bad or not, stellar, broken, or sub-par...

- Instruments : RME ADI-2/4 PRO SE. E1DA Cosmos ADC (Grade B), Minimum phase filter. E1DA Cosmos APU 60dB preamp is used for DR measurements. Output voltage is measured separately, using a DMM with a 0dBFS 1kHz tone.
- Software : REW V5.20.14, Multitone Loopback Analyzer 1.0.80 and RMAA 6.4.5 PRO,
- Method : 8 runs for each test, then I choose the closest to the average. Bandwidth and sampling rate to be specified for each test.

Note: Prior to this publication, I showed my measurements to Masimo, who put me in contact with Rotel to discuss the results.

I started my tests with the USB-B input and XLR balanced outputs.​

View attachment 302498

Rotel DT-6000 - Summary
Tests
Manufacturer's specs
Results (L & R)
Rating
Noise Level (REW)​
-115dB (stated as SNR)​
-116.0dBA​
Excellent
Dynamic Range (REW)​
99dB​
110.1dB​
Very Good
THD (REW)​
/​
0.00017%​
Very Good
THD+Noise / SINAD (REW)
-103.1dB
-105.3dB
Very Good
IMD SMPTE (REW)​
-98.4dB​
-99.5dB​
Good
Stereo crosstalk (RMAA)​
-115dB​
-115.3dB​
Very Good
IMD+Noise @10 kHz (RMAA)​
/​
0.00149%​
Good
Multitone 32 TD+N (Multitone)​
/​
-88.9dB​
Average

Note: I now use a new column for published manufacturer's specs (when some are available), that gives an interesting comparison between what is advertised and what you buy at the end.​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Frequency Response - 24b/44.1kHz
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Noise Level - 24b/44.1kHz
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Dynamic Range - 24b/44.1kHz
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Intermodulation Distortion SMPTE - 24b/44.1kHzView attachment 302671

Intermodulation Distortion SMPTE Versus Level - 24b/44.1kHz

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THD Versus Frequency - 24b/48kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Multitone 32 - 24b/192kHz
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Intermodulation Distortion + Noise (sweep) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Crosstalk - 24b/44.1kHz

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Alright. My first thoughts here were about the surprising correlation between advertised specifications, and my measured results. For almost every part, the DT-6000 performed according to specs, or a touch above. You may assume that this should be the norm, but it is not. Apart from some manufacturers we often see measured here on ASR, a lot of products on the market are sub-performing in regard to exaggerated numbers. In this case, I am pleased to observe such cohesive (while good but not great) benchmarks.

Now, if I take a step back, I could admit that the performance is not quite there for the high price tag. The SINAD is effectively good, but a lot of cheaper DACs will give you better numbers. Should it be audibly transparent? Most probably: yes. Yet, I have got a couple of issues (say, three, really). First is the USB-B input that shows both strange sidebands in my THD+N FFT, for which I would not mind, since it doesn't affect the THD, not to mention in an inaudible way. The second concern is... a terrible jitter performance. While the noise floor seems acceptably low, the main 12kHz sine wave seems to be kind of desynchronized in every J-tests I have run. I shared this results with Rotel, and they told that they will investigate on it. Sadly, the poor Jitter performance is not related to my specific sample, as you may see in
SoundStage's (Audio Precision) measurements here. Since they did not measure the USB-B input, tho, I will come back to the matter when commenting S/PDIF inputs. At last, I am not satisfied to see, for a product released in 2022, such an "ESS Hump" with IMD VS Level, that most Chinese manufacturers already fixed a long time ago. These aside, the Rotel DT-6000 is doing alright, for a product from a traditional manufacturer, that stayed out of the "SINAD Race" we witness here on ASR.

What about unbalanced RCA outputs?


RCA
View attachment 302513


Rotel DT-6000 - RCA Summary
Tests
XLR
RCA
Output Voltage @1Khz​
4.540Vrms​
2.127Vrms​
Noise level (REW)​
-116.0dBA​
-111.8dBA​
Dynamic range, dB (REW)​
110.1dB​
109.6dB​
THD (REW)​
0.00017%​
0.00020%​
THD+N (REW)​
-105.3dB​
-104.3dB​
IMD SMPTE (REW)​
-99.5dB​
-99.1dB​
Stereo crosstalk (RMAA)​
-115.3dB​
-113.5dB​
IMD+Noise @10kHz (RMAA)​
0.00149%​
0.00160%​
Multitone 32 TD+N (Multitone)​
-88.9dB​
-88.6dB​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302678

Noise Level - 24b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302681

Dynamic Range - 24b/44.1kHz

View attachment 302679

Overall, very consistent results. It is rare to observe such a small drop in performance from XLR. While single-ended obviously catches more hums, it keeps the noise at reasonable levels, and both THD and IMD remain almost on par with XLR. Good.

Let's see if coaxial and optical have the same "issues" as USB...


S/PDIF
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Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 24b/44.1kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Jitter - 24b/48kHz
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Overall, both coax and toslink are performing equal, meaning, a hair better than USB-B. Not regarding raw numbers, which are basically the same, but by looking at the shape of the 1kHz sine wave, that definitely shows a cleaner picture.

Back to Jitter, we do have here a much more stable presentation, with somehow a "readable" 12kHz tone... and a ton of sidebands around it. It still is not a good performance, even if considering the absolute level ultimately too low to be audible. As said earlier, these tests are unfortunately backed-up by AP measurements from SoundStage, that show mostly the same picture. However, when I showed these specific results to Rotel, they reacted very professionally and took the problem quite seriously. They said that their team would investigate and could work on a fix. Could this be done by firmware update only (hypothesis: a DPLL setting too aggressive) ? I hope so. In any case, there was a proposal for testing an eventual updated sample when the investigation would be done.

Now, wait. I just realized that the initial purpose of a CD Player would eventually be to play... CDs.​


CD Playback
View attachment 302497

For these last tests, I spent a short time to burn several disks to then decide which tones I would use. Since I would not be able to synchronize sweeps, there were not an option. The continuous tones, repeated for a long period (allowing me repeatability of testing) worked great. As CD is obviously limited to 16bits, I generated my files from both REW and APx Tone Generator, which are basically the same test tones I use for my 24bits testing. The tones are generated 16bits dithered, 44.1kHz.

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 16b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302685

This is basically the maximum I could measure from my 16bits dithered file, and as, such, as transparent as it can get for a CD Playback. I remember @amirm finding almost the exact same picture in his review of the Marantz SA-10.

Just for experiment, I tried with a still 16bits PCM file, but this time generated with a 24bits dither:​

Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (SINAD) - 16b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302686
While it gives better SINAD numbers, it makes the harmonics unreadable with a very busy and blurry noise floor. I would stick to the 16bits dithered for next CD player reviews.​

Noise Level -16b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302687

For some reason, my Noise Level test is as good as what I get from 24b/44.1kHz through digital inputs.​

Dynamic Range - 16b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302688

Dynamic Range is as expected.​

Jitter - 16b/44.1kHz
View attachment 302689

While not looking that good, this is indeed a texbook perfect 16bits J-test picture, the same I may get when measuring the tone directly in the digital domain. Its ENOB even surpasses 16bits. So, the DT-6000 may do a great job with Jitter after all. It is just a pity that other digital inputs are somewhat flawed on that matter.​



Conclusions

It is not so easy to come with a wrap-up about the Rotel DT-6000. As a pure audio product, I really liked it. It is extremely well-built, it looks gorgeous, and it sounds good. When focusing on specifications, I would say that I praise Rotel for selling a product that performs right on specs, even when it should the very minimum from any manufacturer out there. Now, what about the performance? Essentially good, absolutely transparent for CD playback on one side. On the other hand, mostly sufficient for 24bits contents in audible thresholds. Now, is it technically perfect? No. There are some issues that should not be observable for a product at the price point. Nor that there would be any excuse from such an established company to make some compromises in designing a D/A architecture. As such, I could dot give my "competent" rating to the DT-6000. The Jitter disparities come to mind at first, and their results are not acceptable at this point. Is this specific flaw audible? Not from what I heard, honestly. I also assume that most potential buyers for this Player would intend to pair it with the RA-6000 Amplifier, and I highly doubt that they would be any kind of disappointed, or disturbed by any irregularities in the analog signal. That is for sure, but what we are evaluating here are raw objective results. And in that regard, it falls short of its potential.

On a positive note, I am glad to know Rotel being aware of these measurements, and recognizing that the Jitter behavior would need for a rework. I really hope that they could come up with a fix, as I said, preferably by firmware update. If it is a DPLL adjustment as I suggested, I am sure that they could solve it that way. I sure would be glad to re-test an "updated" sample if Rotel makes the proposal. At last, I would like to thank Masimo France for sending me this sample, always knowing the risk of a bad measuring product that they actually sell. Their efforts for transparency are, again, much appreciated.​

Flanker rating: Good Enough
I look forward to every Review you drop. So professional and yet easy to read and understand. Shit Hot Job @VintageFlanker. :cool: Your accompanied photography and close-up’s are just icing on the cake. Thank you for your work Sir.
 
Well done VintageFlanker BUT just for comparison can't you test with, for example, a Blu-ray player that has digital outputs plugged into a decent DAC, just to see how those results would compare to the Rotel DT-6000?:)

In the picture my Blu-ray, Sony BDP-S570, digtalt out to DAC Topping E30. Can that combo give a match to the Rotel DT-6000? If you want to test, you can buy such a used Sony Blu-ray for around $20-30. What the hell I can pay you for that Sony Blu-ray (or similar in the same price range with digital out) just because I'm curious to see the result.:)
 

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On a positive note, I am glad to know Rotel being aware of these measurements, and recognizing that the Jitter behavior would need for a rework. I really hope that they could come up with a fix, as I said, preferably by firmware update. If it is a DPLL adjustment as I suggested, I am sure that they could solve it that way. I sure would be glad to re-test an "updated" sample if Rotel makes the proposal. At last, I would like to thank Masimo France for sending me this sample, always knowing the risk of a bad measuring product that they actually sell. Their efforts for transparency are, again, much appreciated.
Bravo to you for this test. Well done for the distributor to send the unit for testing. However, Rotel, really? You haven’t tested your unit fully and an amateur caught you.
 
what you describe in detail seems to me to be mainly for observing, adjusting the lazer focus part etc....in any case these the use of some of them ...or for torture test the reading etc

but for just the observations of what the conversion stages etc. produce does not seem so sensitive to me..
the cd is correctly engraved.. not damaged etc should be enough..
;-)
You forget the error correction of the CD format…
 
You forget the error correction of the CD format…
can be..promise I will excuse me in this case..

but the topic is interesting.
I hope the return of experiences measures on this subject now ..!

:)
the cdr (according speeds?).. the classic test cds.. the "hq" ones.... on the few typical tests used here...???

(beware of emphasis off or on)

nice...
;-)
(in the discs that I have I have no indication of particular quality of pressing..( except of course on the discs made to test the lazer blocks... width of tracks, drop etc.)

this is the case on which ones?

)
 
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Great review. Thank you. @VintageFlanker

My spouse is always nagging me- "where did our CD player go?" (it died). I promised to get replacement, and that was a long time ago... This one looks like good Redback disc performance at Rotel albeit premium prices.

A question I have is more practical- how well does it play discs? Not the pristine discs or the reference test discs? I mean old discs, CD-Rs etc.
How about disc vibration/transport noise? What happens when you press pause etc.

Most of our discs are not perfect.

Most of my discs are from C20...
 
can be..promise I will excuse me in this case..

but the topic is interesting.
I hope the return of experiences measures on this subject now ..!

:)
the cdr (according speeds?).. the classic test cds.. the "hq" ones.... on the few typical tests used here...???

(beware of emphasis off or on)

nice...
;-)
(in the discs that I have I have no indication of particular quality of pressing..( except of course on the discs made to test the lazer blocks... width of tracks, drop etc.)

this is the case on which ones?

)

The Test Disc sets made by Philips, Sony etc were extremely expensive as they were absolutely perfect optically, reflectivity was to spec, pit/land transitions were of precise spec (there is an allowable tolerance in Red Book), the eccentricity was zero to ensure servo currents in the tracking systems do not affect measurements and the test tracks themselves are not arbitrary spot frequencies, they are chosen to be prime to the sample rate. Dither is switched on and off, as is emphasis and deemphasis. etc.

Then you have the separate calibrated discs with deliberate and increasing levels of errors, data losses, eccentricity, pit/land spacing, CLV limits. The Pierre Verany test set is excellent for that and should be findable at a resonable price.

You need to understand that in a CD player, all the systems interact. A burnt CDR of the same identical test disc, verified for errors may not give the same DR, THD or channel separation due to excess currents (usually servo tracking) than the original.

Bottom line, you can burn what you like, but it isn't a test disc. I suggest a CBS CD1. It wasn't too expensive in the first place and has been the standard (defacto) since the mid 1980s. Surely there are some still floating around in the US- that's where I got all mine. Otherwise, you could ask @John Atkinson at Stereophile what he suggests- there may be some other sources or even a stockpile someplace. There was a group who had holdings for sale of many of the Japanese industry reference test discs at one point.

I got all mine several years ago, knowing full well they would all but disappear making alignment, adjustment and testing of players that much more difficult. Like the reference test LPs of days gone by- they cost a fortune now and get worn out.
 
Having read everything ^^^^ from John, it does appear that technology has moved the bar forwards- that solid state based music systems has potential to be superior to mechanical systems like CDs, tapes and LPs.

Although €2299 buys a lot of music playing hardware, I will probably have to buy a silver disc player…
 
Owned one. Returned it no spdif. Should have read the fine print. Bought an smsl 400es and a Rotel tribute cd player. Happiness.
 
Owned one. Returned it no spdif. Should have read the fine print. Bought an smsl 400es and a Rotel tribute cd player. Happiness.

It's probably a DVD player chipset and mech, like many of Rotel's recent "CD" players.
 
I could burn you a copy of any of my reference test CDs but that does not make it into another reference CD. CDR copies are not remotely the same.

Put searches into Ebay and wherever you look for discs and wait.

You should be able to find a copy of the CBS CD-1 used by everyone (stereophile etc) and it is a reference. Make sure it is absolutely mint- not even a graze on the surface.
if the player doesn't play a cdr the same as some other cd with the same data then that's a problem with the transport, not the cd.
 
ROTEL is a Japanese audio manufacturer, but it is hardly known in Japan.
It seems to be a company that specializes in exporting to the EU and North America, and most of its products are not distributed in Japan.
A similar company has CEC. I have purchased Rotel and CEC amps once, but I didn't like them performance-wise.
It is a brand that often appears in ASR, but it is a mysterious brand for Japanese people.
 
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