RME are a terrible value cost wise

[SIY]

You'll have to pry my ADI-2 FSB out of my cold, dead fingers.

 

[Grotti]

Seems like a pretty good business model. Make a high quality product, provide high quality support and service, and then reap the benefits of that hard work.

Do you think that profits are bad?

I always wonder where these hurt feeling rants come from.

I still consider my ADI-2 Peo fs BE the best device I purchased in my whole Hifi-life despite its cost. In my experience the rants are often caused by the wish to own something but not willing or being able to pay the price. I would love to buy a Dutch 8c for instance but I am not willing to pay the price for it. I have to blame myself for it, it's not the manufacturers fault to ask a price, which obviously is accepted by the market...

 

[Sokel]

I always wonder where these hurt feeling rants come from.

It probably comes from not knowing the requirements to make a product that works steadily and reliably for years and at all sane conditions.
And on top of that to support this product for years.
Quality has it's price,we like it or not.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

It happens that RME cost to performance ratio is high. There are very few ( items, that match the versatility, usefulness, ergonomics and performance of their ware e.g. ADI-2 FS... I am not sure there are any.
plus it seems also that RME reliability is top notch...

What is there not to like? Unless there is a similar product at a lower price, similar performance and reliability/track record...
Can the dear OP point us toward a few examples? Besides MOTU which is not a great exemple...

Peace.

 

[amper42]

This thread seems like click bait. Can't even believe it's up for debate.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Unusual to see bile emanating from the pancreas

 

[Multicore]

I always wonder where these hurt feeling rants come from.

For this I refer you to the apartment living thread which became quite confessional and sad.

@Pancreas Instead of denouncing RME for their high prices, why not ask why RME's products sell rather well despite their price? For example, yesterday I was looking for an interface referring to Sweetwater and Julian Krause. I noticed that if I rank all the USB intefaces with 2 mic preamps ordered by buyer reviews, the Babyface tops the list by a wide margin. It costs $1000. MOTU M2 costs $200 and has about 2x as many reviews but they aren't 5 stars. To me it just seems reasonable to assume that those Babyface buyers know what they are doing (mostly) and therefore ask what value it offers them that justifies the $ expense. I can't asnwer that but maybe those 44 reviews have some hints.

 

[MC_RME]

Can the dear OP point us toward a few examples? Besides MOTU which is not a great exemple...

Please no Motu bashing in this thread. That would not help the case. Motu is a serious manufacturer with a long record of attractive and high quality products.

 

[FrantzM]

Please no Motu bashing in this thread. That would not help the case. Motu is a serious manufacturer with a long record of attractive and high quality products.

Not Bashing MOTU, stating that's not a great exemple from the OP, to support their "case".


Peace.

 

[Phorize]

You'll have to pry my ADI-2 FSB out of my cold, dead fingers.

There's a russian secret service edition?They really do think of everything!

 

[Yuhasz01]

This original post is very, very similar to one posted on the RME forum recently. Bashing projects with no supporting evidence or measured data. Probably a troll or someone looking to argue. BS. Ig.nore poorly presented subjective opinions like this.

 

[Old_School_Brad]

For this I refer you to the apartment living thread which became quite confessional and sad.

@Pancreas Instead of denouncing RME for their high prices, why not ask why RME's products sell rather well despite their price? For example, yesterday I was looking for an interface referring to Sweetwater and Julian Krause. I noticed that if I rank all the USB intefaces with 2 mic preamps ordered by buyer reviews, the Babyface tops the list by a wide margin. It costs $1000. MOTU M2 costs $200 and has about 2x as many reviews but they aren't 5 stars. To me it just seems reasonable to assume that those Babyface buyers know what they are doing (mostly) and therefore ask what value it offers them that justifies the $ expense. I can't asnwer that but maybe those 44 reviews have some hints.

Thank you for providing insight. The negative feelings I had toward the OP's unreasonable rant have faded a great deal. I appreciate the context; there's always a story behind things. Unfortunately, many who suffer struggle to share, leading to misunderstandings in their surroundings.

 

[jtwrace]

The RME UCX2 retails for $1700 and it only has the AK4458 dac

The Motu Ultralite MK5 at $650 (which is very similar in size and features), is almost three times less expensive, comes with ES9026PRO which is equivalent to the AK4490 in some Denons.

Both of these DACs are superior to the AK4458 in the RME and yet, the RME costs three times more, while having fewer features, ports, non OLED screen, and not even a legit SPDIF port like the Motu.

But somehow people keep believing the myth that RME have better drivers

The whole "exceptional support" is worth the price tag...

The reality is they built their brand name to charge these fees, you're paying that extra money for the name and brand.

If the exact same product was created by Motu, with literally everything exactly the same, except the name, it would cost no more than $800

$1000 max

Both RME and Apollo are the Apple of the interface world and Motu is android

And the motu mk5 used to be $595 in 2023, they raised the price to $650 even then is still an exceptional value

I think you really need to look at from a requirement needed. For me, I looked hard at the RME and the Motu Mk5. Ultimately I went with the Mk5 as I didn't need all the power of the RME given my setup. Would RME work for me? Yes. Does the Motu work well? Yes.

We all have choices in life which is good, not sure what your post provides other than negativity. The presence of RME on this site could certainly help some current and future owners. Buy what fits your needs; objectively you can't go wrong with either unit.

 

[BDWoody]

This thread seems like click bait. Can't even believe it's up for debate.

Yeah...

I don't believe this thread needs to be indulged further.