RME ADI-2/4 Pro SE - RIAA mode measurements

[morillon]

""" not a professional discussion for audio science.""

Maybe we shouldn't overdo it either...hihi

 

[rcstevensonaz]

Maybe we shouldn't overdo it either...hihi

I think it is a fair riff, playing off of the exact wording of their closing shot at RME: "this device is a toy for audiophiles from internet forums, not professional devices for work"

The post contained several reasonable observations, all encased within ad hominine (ad vendorinine?) attacks.

 

[morillon]

I think it is a fair riff, playing off of the exact wording of their closing shot at RME: "this device is a toy for audiophiles from internet forums, not professional devices for work"

The post contained several reasonable observations, all encased within ad hominine (ad vendorinine?) attacks.

baaaahhh we understood well that the person has no connection with the professional field, the constraints etc etc... no need to add much I think.... ;-)

 

[Aero]

baaaahhh we understood well that the person has no connection with the professional field, the constraints etc etc... no need to add much I think.... ;-)

My comments regarding the manufacturer were solely related to the implementation of the RIAA mode in this device, which is simply poorly made.

The attachment of the grounding wire to the attachment of one of the sockets is the quintessence of this implementation.

 

[morillon]

My comments regarding the manufacturer were solely related to the implementation of the RIAA mode in this device, which is simply poorly made.

The attachment of the grounding wire to the attachment of one of the sockets is the quintessence of this implementation.

I repeat... this machine was not intended for this "riaa phono" use... they developed the dsp and ended up using this function to offer this use (which is not professional)... at the cost of a little efforts therefore , it's a just bonus gift..
So getting hung up on this ground thing on an RCA is a bit ridiculous...

 

[MatrixS2000]

I have the opposite view. This is the only device I am considering as I move from analog to digital RIAA.

 

[unpluggged]

there is no lead to connect the grounding wire, so I think that the manufacturer of this device is not serious

The RIAA equalization and preamp is a marginal use case for this converter. And if you were as serious as you demand from the vendor to be, you'd had read the manual where you'd find out that you can screw the ground wire to the DB-9 connector's threading.

This device is definitely not a preamplifier for a turntable

Nobody markets it as such. RIAA mode is just one of the many useful DSP functions of this converter. If you need strictly a turntable preamp, you can get the $100 one from Shenzhen and be satisfied.

I will also ask whether this device also offers support for all available options for selecting different settings on a computer monitor screen or are we doomed to operate the device only on the device's mini screen?

There were many like you who demanded a desktop control app, and when RME finally yielded and could find good solution that required them not only to make a fully-functional app, but also to implement a MIDI interface in the FPGA and a corresponding protocol, few were grateful. Did you miss the ADI-2 Remote app?

My comments regarding the manufacturer were solely related to the implementation of the RIAA mode in this device, which is simply poorly made.

Then this device is not for you, skip it then. I don't get the rant about the RIAA implementation that you are making for the second page in a row. What specifically is "poorly made" here? Is it flawed in any way? Is the RIAA correction curve wrong? Is there too much of distortion or not enough gain? The only specific complaint you mentioned is that there is no "dedicated" "Hi-Fi-style" GND screw with a big and fancy knob. When you were pointed to the 2 (two!) screw terminals at the DB-9 connector, you started to pick on various other "flaws" and complain about how RME is not a "serious" manufacturer.

If you were serious in your quest, instead of ranting here, you'd better take your time to look through the documentation. Now it looks more like trolling.

 

[rcstevensonaz]

... when RME finally yielded and could find good solution that required them not only to make a fully-functional app, but also to implement a MIDI interface in the FPGA and a corresponding protocol, few were grateful. Did you miss the ADI-2 Remote app?

Please count me in the category of those who were extremely grateful!!! The Remote App is an amazing, much needed, and extremely valuable addition to the ADI-2 line.

 

[Aero]

This topic concerns RIAA in this device. I think it is done badly.
I also think that the device itself is definitely worth your attention.

The lack of support for drive levels, channel balance using external, large potentiometers means that the convenience of use when recording is severely limited.

 

[Sokel]

This topic concerns RIAA in this device. I think it is done badly.
I also think that the device itself is definitely worth your attention.

The lack of support for drive levels, channel balance using external, large potentiometers means that the convenience of use when recording is severely limited.

What you seek for then is either something affordable like the Teak PE-505 or like the Esoteric E-02 going up the hill which is originally made like a Phono and not like a generous free offering like RME does.

(note that both the above have probably worst noise than the RME which doesn't matter of course,the noise of the medium overshadows everything)

 

[KSTR]

The lack of support for drive levels, channel balance using external, large potentiometers means that the convenience of use when recording is severely limited.

Well, any pro would do this (and anything else required to polish) in the DAW once the the recording is done.

But guess what, you can actually implement live control of whatever setting with the RME, the MIDI protocol for device control has been published so you can program and hook up a MIDI controller with large knobs/faders. You are not restricted to the app.

 

[MatrixS2000]

Please count me in the category of those who were extremely grateful!!! The Remote App is an amazing, much needed, and extremely valuable addition to the ADI-2 line.

Same here! The user interface was the only knock on the ADI series. I bought my first ADI DAC before the app was released regardless as the box is so well engineered. The remote app is a huge bonus.

 

[MaxwellsEq]

Please count me in the category of those who were extremely grateful!!! The Remote App is an amazing, much needed, and extremely valuable addition to the ADI-2 line.

Me too. The front panel UI is fine, but I have to go back to the manual occasionally to remember how to do something; whereas it's all obvious in the remote control app.

The ADI-2 devices are brilliant and the remote control puts their power at my fingertips.

 

[MatrixS2000]

This topic concerns RIAA in this device. I think it is done badly.
I also think that the device itself is definitely worth your attention.

The lack of support for drive levels, channel balance using external, large potentiometers means that the convenience of use when recording is severely limited.

I don’t view the RME’s main purpose when releasing digital RIAA is to give you all those conveniences. I use a Tascam DA-3000 to record vinyl. The RME frees you from analog RIAA that tends to drift over time to a digital RIAA that remains constant. If your view is that RME released this feature as a recording-centric feature, then I think you need to reconsider that view. The ability to record is a side dish not the main course.

 

[MC_RME]

I have another question, does this device allow digital correction of the signal below 20 Hz in RIAA mode? A turntable in this range usually generates a large amplitude of unwanted resonance.

There is a fixed DC filter (very low) plus a pre-configured 'Rumble' filter as preset which consists of a 5-band PEQ and can be adjusted at will. Also balance control is there (in steps of 0.5 dB, Trim Gain) and 'drive' (RIAA Mode - Gain).

All this is explained in detail in the manual and a 10 minute long video:

 

[Aero]

There is a fixed DC filter (very low) plus a pre-configured 'Rumble' filter as preset which consists of a 5-band PEQ and can be adjusted at will. Also balance control is there (in steps of 0.5 dB, Trim Gain) and 'drive' (RIAA Mode - Gain).

All this is explained in detail in the manual and a 10 minute long video:

Hello
Thank you for your answer.

1. Does the manufacturer include a screw to attach the ground wire to the screw securing one of the sockets, or will I have to attach the ground wire by inserting the plug into this socket even if I don't use it?

2. Does the manufacturer provide an instruction manual in Polish?

This film I saw is funny. It made me laugh to tears.

Around 17s we see an old German Dual turntable with an original DUAL cartridge, manufactured by Ortofon, along with an Ortofon stylus. The funny thing about this connection is that this stylus does not physically fit this cartridge. This is a stylus for the OM series by Ortofon
The diameter of the stylus holder hole is larger than the diameter of the cartridge element on which the stylus is inserted. This connection is simply too loose.
Ortofon, at that time, deliberately introduced this solution because the styluses were dedicated to these cartridges.

At around 4:40 we see a turntable with an XP-7 cartridge, a cartridge designed for DJ applications.

Is this the target customer for this device? Old German turntables and, or, turntables for DJs? Or is this the result of the incompetence of the creators of this film?

By the way, I once saw an ad for a very well-known company, I will not mention the name here, which had a photo of a turntable in the background. The bad joke was that the photo of this turntable was a mirror image, the tonearm was on the left side.

Dear producer, before publishing such a film it is good to first consult it with someone who knows something about turntables.

Will I buy this device? Maybe I will. Because despite many shortcomings on the part of the manufacturer, I also see commitment on the part of the manufacturer, and this bodes well.

 

[pkane]

Hello
Thank you for your answer.

1. Does the manufacturer include a screw to attach the ground wire to the screw securing one of the sockets, or will I have to attach the ground wire by inserting the plug into this socket even if I don't use it?

2. Does the manufacturer provide an instruction manual in Polish?

This film I saw is funny. It made me laugh to tears.

Around 17s we see an old German Dual turntable with an original DUAL cartridge, manufactured by Ortofon, along with an Ortofon stylus. The funny thing about this connection is that this stylus does not physically fit this cartridge. This is a stylus for the OM series by Ortofon
The diameter of the stylus holder hole is larger than the diameter of the cartridge element on which the stylus is inserted. This connection is simply too loose.
Ortofon, at that time, deliberately introduced this solution because the styluses were dedicated to these cartridges.

At around 4:40 we see a turntable with an XP-7 cartridge, a cartridge designed for DJ applications.

Is this the target customer for this device? Old German turntables and, or, turntables for DJs? Or is this the result of the incompetence of the creators of this film?

By the way, I once saw an ad for a very well-known company, I will not mention the name here, which had a photo of a turntable in the background. The bad joke was that the photo of this turntable was a mirror image, the tonearm was on the left side.

Dear producer, before publishing such a film it is good to first consult it with someone who knows something about turntables.

Will I buy this device? Maybe I will. Because despite many shortcomings on the part of the manufacturer, I also see commitment on the part of the manufacturer, and this bodes well.

How do you say “troll” in Polish?

 

[Aero]

How do you say “troll” in Polish?

Trol.
Have you seen an ad for a luxury model from Mercedes (also a German company) with so many shortcomings?

 

[pkane]

Trol.
Have you seen an ad for a luxury model from Mercedes (also a German company) with so many shortcomings?

Nice to meet you, Mr. Trol!

 

[Aero]

Nice to meet you, Mr. Trol!

I am considering buying a luxury device rather than buying a device for 100 EUR, so I want to know exactly what is offered for sale.

I recently bought a phonograph cartridge for 1500 EUR, so not the cheapest product, directly from the manufacturer - a leading manufacturer in the industry, 100 years of tradition. I expected professionalism in customer service. It took 4 complaints for the manufacturer to send all the elements of the offered product.
It took a month.