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Rick Beato: The Real Reason Why Music Is Getting Worse

95% of music I listen to is new. I constantly marvel at how much great music is out there that I have yet to experience! And feel bad for all the artists that have jumped into music business, not realizing how immense their competition is.

I know audiophiles who sit there and listen to Eagles for the thousands times. I am the exact opposite. There is so much good new music that I don't go back the oldies except once in a while.

The music I listen to is new and creative. I do enjoy pop music from time to time but I don't mind the techniques used to create it except for repeated drums and such.
 
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I think that this is a prudent opinion.

In this reasonably brief thread, I have counted perhaps nine (I lost count) Youtube links.

Very little comment was provided by the contributors. Is this good enough for ASR?

Edit - of course things are different in threads devoted to Youtube clips, that is different.
 
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Sounds like you're listening the medium not the music.
Not at all, but just a file on a drive is an incomplete package, IMO. Market forces, you know - some customers have certain demands and expectations and will not buy product if these are not met. Not just with music, either - plenty of other examples exist.
 
Jacob Collier is a musical genius (I'm far from the only one who thinks so*) - his music doesn't always appeal to me, but it's always impressive. and he's only been on the scene for a few years. I saw him live with (IIRC) a 9 piece band. He took turns playing every instrument, and he was the best player of every instrument on stage. Just on another level entirely.

He maintains a very long (>1400 songs) playlist on Spotify called "Jacob's Optimum Music Feast" - I've been listening to it a lot lately.

If you take his musical taste to mean anything, we have as much great new stuff as we do from any decade:


*Hans Zimmer said:

“There’s musicianship and then there’s genius, and then way, way, way above all that, out in the stratosphere, is Jacob Collier.” – Hans Zimmer

And again... If you made a big playlist of all the crap that came out in the past 10 years, it wouldn't prove anything.
 
Not at all, but just a file on a drive is an incomplete package, IMO. Market forces, you know - some customers have certain demands and expectations and will not buy product if these are not met. Not just with music, either - plenty of other examples exist.
That is why a lot of vinyl release come with a digital download. Then you can stream locally from your NAS while admiring the artwork of your physical vinyl copy.

Anyway, I jump around a lot between genres. One moment I'm focusing on hardcore 80ties punk, and the next month I'm all in on new Americana releases or rap from the 2010s. Usually also keep an eye on Pitchfork reviews.
 
Ah yeah, I don't see the value in CD's. You can often just straight up buy the digital version without DRM, and if you do care about the physical aspect the vinyl is superior in terms of the hands-on feel (and often includes a download). Why would I want a tiny cd box when I can have artwork that is like 9 times bigger? For audio I always stream (either locally or from a streaming provider).

I buy vinyl as well as CDs. CDs have their advantages. The jewel storage box, for example, when properly executed, is a design marvel.
 
That is why a lot of vinyl release come with a digital download. Then you can stream locally from your NAS while admiring the artwork of your physical vinyl copy.
This is good, I have a few of those. The best I've seen, though, is vinyl with a CD copy included inside. I like to do my own extraction, and also get to keep a physical digital copy
 
I buy vinyl as well as CDs. CDs have their advantages. The jewel storage box, for example, when properly executed, is a design marvel.
A designed marvel that tends to crack. Both the box and the center that hold the disc. Its utter garbage compared to DVD boxes.
 
Yeah, my multi-zone local & cloud network music streaming with parametric EQ is practically a grammaphone.

Nice, but that’s where you’re going wrong with “modern” music, you should try and listen to it through your phone speaker, preferably on max volume whilst sat on a crowded bus.

;)
 
The OP video dances around some things I do think are deeply affecting music:

- The bottom has absolutely fallen out of the music industry as a whole. Music spending including live music (and god help you if you factor out Taylor Swift) is just way way down. People gripe that streamers don't pay much in the way of royalties, but the reality is the pool is just way way smaller. This is downstream of many other societal trends.

- At some level it's not really that much cheaper to make music (you can always make a boombox recording with a pawn shop guitar) but certainly the economics favor a musician working solo on a DAW rather than trying to organize a garage band; people don't want to have to pay supporting musicians or band members they think are contributing less. However, this reduces collaboration which reduces creativity and polish. The OP talks about how this has killed the studio musician and that's part of it, but it goes beyond that. People may have bought Beatles albums to hear John, but John needed Ringo's artistic input to be great, which we know because we know what John was like without Ringo. I also think this is why IMO the vast amount of innovation in the last decade or more has been in electronica / EDM, which minimally handicaps solo artists.

- Artists have made bad art forever, longer than people have made good art, but in both cases their reach was less. We think of radio and similar as curating the bad out and keeping the good, but a non-trivial part was just telling you what was good, whether it was all that great or not. This is generally obliterated. As other posters have pointed out, this has let niche music of tremendous quality gain new reach, but it also drowns you in generic dreck.

I would point out the discussion of 'copyright infringement' using someone else's music to train an AI is rather an odd concept, as all human artists also train on other (generally copyrighted) music, from childhood.
 
human artists also train on other (generally copyrighted) music, from childhood.
I agree with your post for the most part, but "training" an AI is nothing like a person being trained on someone else's music. If nothing else, we should highly privilege the right of a human to be inspired by other humans, over the utility of a machine regurgitating a human's work.
 
Never heard of him until this thread. I find Tiny Desk concerts often offers the best of the artists and they always sound good production wise. I enjoyed it, very talented dude to be sure. Obviously a different sound from days of yore some long for, a very modern sound, but I dig it!

Created/recorded/sampled/mixed live whilst triggering his backing tracks using a click track through his earbuds to ensure everything is note perfect and in time.

From Fred (below) regarding the thought and work he put into this tiny desk set

I spent weeks practicing this and learning instruments I hadn’t played for years to try and make this as special as I possibly could, EEVVERRRYYY thing you hear in this I play totally live

Yeah…….he's rather talented for sure :D

Here’s Brian Eno discussing how they met and on mentoring Fred Again, good watch.


And at the risk of labouring my excitement for Fred Again into all out hand wringing fandom I’ll finally drop this below and stop polluting the thread…….promise ;)

 
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A designed marvel that tends to crack. Both the box and the center that hold the disc. Its utter garbage compared to DVD boxes.
I did say "properly executed". I have a few early ones made of a really tough plastic that are pretty much indestructible. Then they decided to cut costs and, yes, we know the rest.
 
There's plenty of really good new music around today -- but the vast majority of it never makes it onto corporate radio or into the top 500 on streaming services. Beato knows this. IMO his complaint is really about what's getting promoted by the industry -- which is about profitability and control rather than actual artistic merit -- and not with the actual music makers.
 
Musician who can play their instrument, singers who can sing without pro tools.
I hear you... but I'd suggest that is a very stuck in the past view. People don't need to be able to play a traditional instrument to create music. Songs have singing, music doesn't always... people that can't sing shouldn't be making songs.


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I did say "properly executed". I have a few early ones made of a really tough plastic that are pretty much indestructible. Then they decided to cut costs and, yes, we know the rest.

I liked the fancier plastic cd jewel case as they stood out amongst my 1500+ 25 year collection, a nice case was easy to spot and identify in a sea of tiny writing, and my mates and parties etc always messed with my alphabetical and genre specific order when removing/replacing
 
What I find funny is that the people complaining about “new music sucks” while pleasuring themselves listening to the 17th atmos reissue of Dark Side of the Moon for the 1 millionth time. There is a nearly infinite quantity of high quality music available easily spanning the more than a century of recorded music. If one gets bored they aren’t even trying. But I guess you only want to hear music that’s sounds like
AOR from the 70’s I could see how you may be dissatisfied.
 
95% of music I listen to is new. I constantly marvel at how much great music is out there that I have yet to experience! And feel bad for all the artists that have jumped into music business, not realizing how immense their competition is.

I know audiophiles who sit there and listen to Eagles for the thousands times. I am the exact opposite. There is so much good new music that I don't go back the oldies except once in a while.

The music I listen to is new and creative. I do enjoy pop music from time to time but I don't mind the techniques used to create it except for repeated drums and such.
I 100% agree a I promise that my post wasn’t copied from yours lol.
 
Watched that ‘vid’ this morning. Real musicians playing real instruments. I luv new music.
Jazz is Dead, FKJ, Tash Sultana, Winston Surfshirt, Dope Lemon, but like ‘Van the Man’, the
smart ones pay homage to those that came before, everything is built upon or borrowed to
be ‘new again’ if only for a little while…. Roll over Beethoven.
 
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