Hello Amir hat once upon a thread i didn't find sadly about review suggestions of budget speakers. Amir I would like to suggest review auf nubert speakers - the bookshelves start from 400€ a pair and would be interesting if they perform well to your standards and how they compare to Elacs budget line.
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Review Suggestion Nubert bookshelf speakers
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See these existing threads:
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And
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What budget speakers you like to see reviewed?
I am thinking it may make sense to buy a few budget but popular speakers to test. Or alternatively members buying and donating them to be tested. :) So what is "in" these days as far as budget speakers? I am thinking under $200 for a pair.
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What Speakers Would You Like Amir To Measure Next?
Polk Audio R500, R600, and or R700 Floor Standing Speakers Klipsch RP5000F, RP6000F, and or RP8000F Floor Standing Speakers Pioneer SP FS-52 Floor Standing Speakers ELAC Debut DF62 Floor Standing Speakers Polk Audio PSW10 Subwoofer Polk Audio HTS 10 or 12 Subwoofer Klipsch Reference or SPL...
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A member is sending one in. If it goes as planned, you will have that review (likely a few weeks from now).
totti1965
Active Member
Nubert is quite a big deal in Germany:
Nr. One from the direct Mergers. The speakers, tested from audio or stereoplay have mostly exceptional flat (on Axis) Frequency Responses and low distortions.
Therefore I am awfully curious about what Amir would say about some Klippel Testing and just wrote a few nice sentences to the CEO of Nubert (in German - Here is the autotranslation):
Dear Mr Nubert,
I discovered audiosciencereview.com about two months ago and http://www.spinorama.org for the first time about a month ago. The Spinorama site has been around since 2021 and was founded by Pierre Aubert, a Belgian computer scientist, computer scientist and automation specialist.
A really powerful, massive database with about 750 speakers in it.
The idea behind it, which comes from the atmosphere of http://www.audiosciencereview.com, is that the two or three private individuals worldwide who have access to the Klippel near-field measuring system (EUR 140,000) can enter the OBJECTIVE data of their loudspeakers .
Manufacturers who have the Klippel system and hand over their RAW data can also participate.
Frequency responses on axis, frequency responses in space and many other things are then derived from this raw data and according to an algorithm that was developed by Sean Olive http://seanolive.blogspot.com/ scientist working for the Harman Group, the result is broken down into 4 key figures between 0 and 10 transferred.
The first metric evaluates the speaker as it is.
The second number says what if you paired the speaker with a PERFECT subwoofer or two (that go down to 14Hz, are perfectly positioned, and play perfectly linear from 14 to 150Hz).
The third key figure says how good the speaker would be with some parametric equalizing à la ROON (about 6 - 8 equalizing points across the frequency range - the PERFECT SETTING VALUES WILL BE PUBLISHED BY THE WAY!!!!!)
The last number says how good the speaker would be with all the trimmings (equalizing plus perfect subwoofer).....
Sean Olive did hundreds of double-blind loudspeaker tests in the 80's and 90's and knows very well how people usually weigh up loudspeakers.
The fact is that 7.0 points for the "bare loudspeaker" already stand for an outstandingly good loudspeaker......
So no gossip.
They are, so to speak, objectified subjective scores!!!! How would you like the speaker subjectively???
What is particularly cool is that USD 200 loudspeakers can also be compared with EUR 25,000 loudspeakers.
The ranking contains many a surprise.
I would only pay attention to those loudspeakers on the site where it says that the quality of the measured values is high. Sometimes nonsense is also included.
Neither have they tested any Nubert loudspeakers at audiosciencereview.com or spinorama.org. For example, I consider the Nuvero 60 from Nubert, which my friend Pius has, to be an outstanding speaker with real monitor properties and a nice bass range despite the moderate cabinet size (right between bookshelf and floor-standing speakers).
Like many, many other German users, I would like to find it again in this American database (there are, articulating this wish, there even already one or the other forum post at audiosciencereview.com!) and the Americans are really curious about German ones Speaker!
And the elaborately made Nubert products really don't have to hide: For example, the Nubert Nuvero 60 should even reach a little lower in bass than the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-LX, a two-way for USD 1,500 per pair with an outstanding rating by the Klippel analysis device.
Interestingly enough, I find the fact that often compact, often active, two-way loudspeakers (example: Genelec 8030 C - by the way noticeably better than the 8330 A (!)) together with a subwoofer really "objectives subjectively" all conceivable larger loudspeakers mercilessly to play the wands.
It should also have its advantages to have two perfect subwoofers and then move them a little closer to the listener, which would not be possible with huge three- and four-way drums with the built-in basses, which cannot be shifted. Greetings from the better phase! This would confirm a finding from the "aktives-hören" forum.
Hence my question and suggestion: Wouldn't it be an attractive way for you to expand your reach if you get in contact with the founder of Audiosciencereview.com, Amir Majidimehr as a manutacturer (Amir receives 25% of the loudspeakers tested directly from the manufacturers, most of them from curious forum members themselves) and send him a test copy of your "core loudspeakers with particularly smooth axially measured frequency response and large quantities", i.e. perhaps the NuVero 60 and the NuPro SP-200 to Newport/ Seatle for analysis (one copy of each Loudspeaker would be sufficient, since this would be measured in mono).
By the way: I can't imagine that the Americans wouldn't be incredibly impressed by the 15-year guarantee!!!
Good luck for the future
(in which people always attach greater importance to Put objective data
and are always better connected
and therefore communicate this data more and more efficiently!)
and at all Always the best
Thorsten
Nr. One from the direct Mergers. The speakers, tested from audio or stereoplay have mostly exceptional flat (on Axis) Frequency Responses and low distortions.
Therefore I am awfully curious about what Amir would say about some Klippel Testing and just wrote a few nice sentences to the CEO of Nubert (in German - Here is the autotranslation):
Dear Mr Nubert,
I discovered audiosciencereview.com about two months ago and http://www.spinorama.org for the first time about a month ago. The Spinorama site has been around since 2021 and was founded by Pierre Aubert, a Belgian computer scientist, computer scientist and automation specialist.
A really powerful, massive database with about 750 speakers in it.
The idea behind it, which comes from the atmosphere of http://www.audiosciencereview.com, is that the two or three private individuals worldwide who have access to the Klippel near-field measuring system (EUR 140,000) can enter the OBJECTIVE data of their loudspeakers .
Manufacturers who have the Klippel system and hand over their RAW data can also participate.
Frequency responses on axis, frequency responses in space and many other things are then derived from this raw data and according to an algorithm that was developed by Sean Olive http://seanolive.blogspot.com/ scientist working for the Harman Group, the result is broken down into 4 key figures between 0 and 10 transferred.
The first metric evaluates the speaker as it is.
The second number says what if you paired the speaker with a PERFECT subwoofer or two (that go down to 14Hz, are perfectly positioned, and play perfectly linear from 14 to 150Hz).
The third key figure says how good the speaker would be with some parametric equalizing à la ROON (about 6 - 8 equalizing points across the frequency range - the PERFECT SETTING VALUES WILL BE PUBLISHED BY THE WAY!!!!!)
The last number says how good the speaker would be with all the trimmings (equalizing plus perfect subwoofer).....
Sean Olive did hundreds of double-blind loudspeaker tests in the 80's and 90's and knows very well how people usually weigh up loudspeakers.
The fact is that 7.0 points for the "bare loudspeaker" already stand for an outstandingly good loudspeaker......
So no gossip.
They are, so to speak, objectified subjective scores!!!! How would you like the speaker subjectively???
What is particularly cool is that USD 200 loudspeakers can also be compared with EUR 25,000 loudspeakers.
The ranking contains many a surprise.
I would only pay attention to those loudspeakers on the site where it says that the quality of the measured values is high. Sometimes nonsense is also included.
Neither have they tested any Nubert loudspeakers at audiosciencereview.com or spinorama.org. For example, I consider the Nuvero 60 from Nubert, which my friend Pius has, to be an outstanding speaker with real monitor properties and a nice bass range despite the moderate cabinet size (right between bookshelf and floor-standing speakers).
Like many, many other German users, I would like to find it again in this American database (there are, articulating this wish, there even already one or the other forum post at audiosciencereview.com!) and the Americans are really curious about German ones Speaker!
And the elaborately made Nubert products really don't have to hide: For example, the Nubert Nuvero 60 should even reach a little lower in bass than the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-LX, a two-way for USD 1,500 per pair with an outstanding rating by the Klippel analysis device.
Interestingly enough, I find the fact that often compact, often active, two-way loudspeakers (example: Genelec 8030 C - by the way noticeably better than the 8330 A (!)) together with a subwoofer really "objectives subjectively" all conceivable larger loudspeakers mercilessly to play the wands.
It should also have its advantages to have two perfect subwoofers and then move them a little closer to the listener, which would not be possible with huge three- and four-way drums with the built-in basses, which cannot be shifted. Greetings from the better phase! This would confirm a finding from the "aktives-hören" forum.
Hence my question and suggestion: Wouldn't it be an attractive way for you to expand your reach if you get in contact with the founder of Audiosciencereview.com, Amir Majidimehr as a manutacturer (Amir receives 25% of the loudspeakers tested directly from the manufacturers, most of them from curious forum members themselves) and send him a test copy of your "core loudspeakers with particularly smooth axially measured frequency response and large quantities", i.e. perhaps the NuVero 60 and the NuPro SP-200 to Newport/ Seatle for analysis (one copy of each Loudspeaker would be sufficient, since this would be measured in mono).
By the way: I can't imagine that the Americans wouldn't be incredibly impressed by the 15-year guarantee!!!
Good luck for the future
(in which people always attach greater importance to Put objective data
and are always better connected
and therefore communicate this data more and more efficiently!)
and at all Always the best
Thorsten
@totti1965 did you receive an answer by Mr. Nubert?
I used to be quite a fan and owner of several Nubert speakers about 10-15 years ago (both nuBox and nuLine)…
I used to be quite a fan and owner of several Nubert speakers about 10-15 years ago (both nuBox and nuLine)…
totti1965
Active Member
Sadly Not! I think Nubert has so far no interest in expanding to the USA. But I was a little bit disappointed in getting no answer at all. In the same week i wrote an e-mail to soundstagenetwork to Diego Estan with a Suggestion about amplifier measurements. Not Only that he answered within 5 hours, he also promised me to follow my Suggestion and do it in the Future the suggested way. Communicationwise - America is America and Germany is Germany - sadly.
totti1965
Active Member
Kommst Du aus Deutschland, Tom? I am from Bonn.
Ziltoe
Active Member
Two decades ago I've used Nubert speakers as well, started with the nuBox 360 and ended up with the nuVero 14 [in between several other models, i.e. the CS-70s in vertical position as a stereo pair]. I loved them much not only because of their "flat response" [Nubert's says "ehrliche Lautsprecher" what still must be confirmed here, whatever model @amirm has ready to hook up at his NFS] but also of their smart accessoires like the ATM modules. However, when first listened to an actice speaker [was it the Adam X77?] I was done and did not follow up any further, beside of their active line. But yes, curious which Nubert speaker Amirm hopefully presents here soon.
totti1965
Active Member
ok, here is my second try to make contact to Nubert as a mediator between Nubert and Amir.
I wrote the following - e-Mail to Mr. B. Jung and Mr. G. Nubert from Nubert. The mail to Mr. Steidle was unfortunately blocked.
Here are the German words I wrote (is it perhaps to much bla bla bla???):
Sehr geehrter Herr Steidle, sehr geehrter Herr Jung, sehr geehrter Herr Nubert,
Vor etwa vier Monaten habe ich die Seite
www.audiosciencereview.com
und vor etwa drei Monaten überhaupt erstmals http://www.spinorama.org entdeckt. Die Spinorama-Seite gibt es seit 2021 und sie wurde von Pierre Aubert, einem belgischen Informatiker, Computerwissenschaftler und Automatisierungsspezialisten gegründet.
Eine wirklich mächtige, gewaltige Datenbank mit etwa 750 Lautsprechern drin.
Die Idee dahinter, sie stammt aus dem Dunstkreis von
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/ ist, dass die weltweit zwei oder drei Privatpersonen, die Zugang zum Klippel Nahfeldmesssystem (EUR 140.000,-) haben, die OBJEKTIVEN Daten ihrer Lautsprecher einpflegen können.
Auch Hersteller, die das Klippelsystem haben und ihre RAW Daten übergeben, können sich beteiligen.
Aus diesen Rohdaten werden dann Frequenzgänge auf Achse, Frequenzgänge im Raum und vieles andere abgeleitet und nach einem Algorithmus, der vom für den Harman Konzern arbeitenden Wissenschaftler Dr. Sean Olive http://seanolive.blogspot.com/ entwickelt wurde wird das Ergebnis in 4 Kennzahlen zwischen 0 und 10 überführt.
Die erste Kennzahl beurteilt den Lautsprecher, so wie er ist.
Die Zweite Kennzahl sagt, was wäre, wenn man den Lautsprecher mit einem oder zwei PERFEKTEN Subwoofern (die bis 14 Hz Hz runtergehen, perfekt aufgestellt sind und perfekt linear von 14 bis 150 Hz spielen) kombinieren würde.
Die dritte Kennzahl sagt, wie gut der Speaker mit etwas parametrischem Equalizing à la ROON wäre (so 6 - 8 Equalizing Punkte über den Frequenzbereich hinweg - die PERFEKTEN EINSTELLUNGSWERTE WERDEN ÜBRIGENS MITVERÖFFENTLICHT!!!!!)
Die letzte Kennzahl sagt, wie gut der Lautsprecher mit allem drumm und dran (Equalizing plus perfekter Subwoofer) wäre.....
Sean Olive hat in den 80ern und 90ern hunderte von Doppelblindtest mit Lautsprechern gemacht und weiss sehr genau, wie Menschen für gewöhnlich gewichten bei der Beurteilung eines Lautsprechers.
Es ist so, dass 7.0 Punkte für den "nackten Lautsprecher" schon für einen überragend guten Lautsprecher stehen......
Also kein Gelabere.
Es sind sozusagen objektivierte subjektive Scores!!!! Wie würde der Lautsprecher subjektiv gefallen???
Cool ist vor allem, dass USD 200,-- Lautsprecher so auch mit EUR 25.000 ,-- Lautsprechern verglichen werden können.
Das Ranking enthält so manche Überraschung.
Ich würde auf der Seite nur solche Lautsprecher beachten, wo steht, dass die Qualität der Messwerte hoch sei.
Leider haben sie bei audiosciencereview.com oder spinorama.org noch keine Nubert Lautsprecher getestet. Ich halte beispielsweise die Nuvero 60 von Nubert, die mein Freund Pius hat, für einen überragenden Lautsprecher mit echten Monitoreigenschaften und einem schönen Bassbereich trotz moderater Gehäusegrösse (genau zwischen Regal- und Standlautsprecher).
Wie viele, viele andere deutsche User, würde ich den gerne mal in dieser amerikanischen Datenbank wiederfinden (Es gibt, diesen Wunsch artikulierend, da sogar schon den einen oder anderen Forumsbeitrag bei audiosciencereview.com!) und die Amis sind wirklich neugierig in Beziehung auf deutsche Lautsprecher!
Erst gestern sprach mich ein deutsches Forumsmitglied darauf an, ob mir eine Kontaktaufnahme mit Nubert gelungen sei - weshalb ich es noch mal mit dieser e-Mail versuche!
Und verstecken müssen sich die aufwendig gemachten Nubert-Produkte wirklich nicht: Beispielsweise dürften die Nubert Nuvero 60 bassmässig sogar etwas tiefer herunterreichen, als die Ascend Acoustics Sierra-LX, einem Zweiweger für USD 1.500,— Paarpreis mit überragender Bewertung durch das Klippel Analysegerät.
Interessant finde ich übrigens die Tatsache, dass häufig kompakte, oft aktive, Zweiwege Lautsprecher (Beispiel: Genelec 8030 C- übrigens merklich besser als die 8330 A (!)) gemeinsam mit einem Subwoofer wirklich alle nur denkbaren grösseren Lautsprecher "objektiviert subjektiv" gnadenlos an die Wand spielen.
Es dürfte also seine Vorteile haben, zwei perfekte Subwoofer zu besitzen und sie dann etwas näher an den Hörer ranrücken zu lassen, was ja bei riesigen Drei- und Vierwege Trumms mit den eingebauten Bässen, die sich ja nicht verschieben lassen, nicht möglich wäre. Die bessere Phase lässt grüßen! Dies würde eine Erkenntnis aus dem „Aktives-hören“ Forum bestätigen.
Deshalb meine Frage und Anregung: Würde es für Sie nicht eine attraktive Möglichkeit zur Erweiterung Ihrer Reichweite darstellen, wenn sie als deutscher Hersteller mit dem Gründer von Audiosciencereview.com, Amir Majidimehr (25% der getesteten Lautsprecher erhält Amir direkt von den Herstellern, die meisten von neugierigen Forumsmitgliedern selbst) mal Kontakt aufnehmen würden und ihm ein Testexemplar ihrer „Kernlautsprecher mit besonders glattem axial gemessenen Frequenzgang und großer Stückzahl“, sprich vielleicht der NuVero 60 und der NuPro SP-200 zur Analyse nach Newport/ Seatle schicken würden (jeweils ein Exemplar eines jeden Lautsprechers würde übrigens reichen, da diese in Mono gemessen werden)?
Über den Forumsbetreiber:
www.audiosciencereview.com
Viel Erfolg für die Zukunft
(in der die Menschen immer größeren Wert auf
objektive Daten legen
und immer besser vernetzt sind
und deshalb diese Daten auch immer effizienter kommunizieren!)
und überhaupt
Immer nur das Beste
Thorsten
I wrote the following - e-Mail to Mr. B. Jung and Mr. G. Nubert from Nubert. The mail to Mr. Steidle was unfortunately blocked.
Here are the German words I wrote (is it perhaps to much bla bla bla???):
Sehr geehrter Herr Steidle, sehr geehrter Herr Jung, sehr geehrter Herr Nubert,
Vor etwa vier Monaten habe ich die Seite
Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum
Audio reviews, science and engineering discussions.
www.audiosciencereview.com
Eine wirklich mächtige, gewaltige Datenbank mit etwa 750 Lautsprechern drin.
Die Idee dahinter, sie stammt aus dem Dunstkreis von
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/ ist, dass die weltweit zwei oder drei Privatpersonen, die Zugang zum Klippel Nahfeldmesssystem (EUR 140.000,-) haben, die OBJEKTIVEN Daten ihrer Lautsprecher einpflegen können.
Auch Hersteller, die das Klippelsystem haben und ihre RAW Daten übergeben, können sich beteiligen.
Aus diesen Rohdaten werden dann Frequenzgänge auf Achse, Frequenzgänge im Raum und vieles andere abgeleitet und nach einem Algorithmus, der vom für den Harman Konzern arbeitenden Wissenschaftler Dr. Sean Olive http://seanolive.blogspot.com/ entwickelt wurde wird das Ergebnis in 4 Kennzahlen zwischen 0 und 10 überführt.
Die erste Kennzahl beurteilt den Lautsprecher, so wie er ist.
Die Zweite Kennzahl sagt, was wäre, wenn man den Lautsprecher mit einem oder zwei PERFEKTEN Subwoofern (die bis 14 Hz Hz runtergehen, perfekt aufgestellt sind und perfekt linear von 14 bis 150 Hz spielen) kombinieren würde.
Die dritte Kennzahl sagt, wie gut der Speaker mit etwas parametrischem Equalizing à la ROON wäre (so 6 - 8 Equalizing Punkte über den Frequenzbereich hinweg - die PERFEKTEN EINSTELLUNGSWERTE WERDEN ÜBRIGENS MITVERÖFFENTLICHT!!!!!)
Die letzte Kennzahl sagt, wie gut der Lautsprecher mit allem drumm und dran (Equalizing plus perfekter Subwoofer) wäre.....
Sean Olive hat in den 80ern und 90ern hunderte von Doppelblindtest mit Lautsprechern gemacht und weiss sehr genau, wie Menschen für gewöhnlich gewichten bei der Beurteilung eines Lautsprechers.
Es ist so, dass 7.0 Punkte für den "nackten Lautsprecher" schon für einen überragend guten Lautsprecher stehen......
Also kein Gelabere.
Es sind sozusagen objektivierte subjektive Scores!!!! Wie würde der Lautsprecher subjektiv gefallen???
Cool ist vor allem, dass USD 200,-- Lautsprecher so auch mit EUR 25.000 ,-- Lautsprechern verglichen werden können.
Das Ranking enthält so manche Überraschung.
Ich würde auf der Seite nur solche Lautsprecher beachten, wo steht, dass die Qualität der Messwerte hoch sei.
Leider haben sie bei audiosciencereview.com oder spinorama.org noch keine Nubert Lautsprecher getestet. Ich halte beispielsweise die Nuvero 60 von Nubert, die mein Freund Pius hat, für einen überragenden Lautsprecher mit echten Monitoreigenschaften und einem schönen Bassbereich trotz moderater Gehäusegrösse (genau zwischen Regal- und Standlautsprecher).
Wie viele, viele andere deutsche User, würde ich den gerne mal in dieser amerikanischen Datenbank wiederfinden (Es gibt, diesen Wunsch artikulierend, da sogar schon den einen oder anderen Forumsbeitrag bei audiosciencereview.com!) und die Amis sind wirklich neugierig in Beziehung auf deutsche Lautsprecher!
Erst gestern sprach mich ein deutsches Forumsmitglied darauf an, ob mir eine Kontaktaufnahme mit Nubert gelungen sei - weshalb ich es noch mal mit dieser e-Mail versuche!
Und verstecken müssen sich die aufwendig gemachten Nubert-Produkte wirklich nicht: Beispielsweise dürften die Nubert Nuvero 60 bassmässig sogar etwas tiefer herunterreichen, als die Ascend Acoustics Sierra-LX, einem Zweiweger für USD 1.500,— Paarpreis mit überragender Bewertung durch das Klippel Analysegerät.
Interessant finde ich übrigens die Tatsache, dass häufig kompakte, oft aktive, Zweiwege Lautsprecher (Beispiel: Genelec 8030 C- übrigens merklich besser als die 8330 A (!)) gemeinsam mit einem Subwoofer wirklich alle nur denkbaren grösseren Lautsprecher "objektiviert subjektiv" gnadenlos an die Wand spielen.
Es dürfte also seine Vorteile haben, zwei perfekte Subwoofer zu besitzen und sie dann etwas näher an den Hörer ranrücken zu lassen, was ja bei riesigen Drei- und Vierwege Trumms mit den eingebauten Bässen, die sich ja nicht verschieben lassen, nicht möglich wäre. Die bessere Phase lässt grüßen! Dies würde eine Erkenntnis aus dem „Aktives-hören“ Forum bestätigen.
Deshalb meine Frage und Anregung: Würde es für Sie nicht eine attraktive Möglichkeit zur Erweiterung Ihrer Reichweite darstellen, wenn sie als deutscher Hersteller mit dem Gründer von Audiosciencereview.com, Amir Majidimehr (25% der getesteten Lautsprecher erhält Amir direkt von den Herstellern, die meisten von neugierigen Forumsmitgliedern selbst) mal Kontakt aufnehmen würden und ihm ein Testexemplar ihrer „Kernlautsprecher mit besonders glattem axial gemessenen Frequenzgang und großer Stückzahl“, sprich vielleicht der NuVero 60 und der NuPro SP-200 zur Analyse nach Newport/ Seatle schicken würden (jeweils ein Exemplar eines jeden Lautsprechers würde übrigens reichen, da diese in Mono gemessen werden)?
Über den Forumsbetreiber:
A bit about your host....
This is a bit about your host, Amir Majidimehr. I am writing this as to give more context to people reading my technical reviews and measurements. I have realized that without this context, many assume I am yet another blogger spitting out graphs. That is very true but let’s see if we can...
www.audiosciencereview.com
Viel Erfolg für die Zukunft
(in der die Menschen immer größeren Wert auf
objektive Daten legen
und immer besser vernetzt sind
und deshalb diese Daten auch immer effizienter kommunizieren!)
und überhaupt
Immer nur das Beste
Thorsten
Dear Mr. Steidle, dear Mr. Jung, dear Mr. Nubert,
About four months ago, I discovered the website www.audiosciencereview.com, the Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum, and approximately three months ago, I first came across http://www.spinorama.org. The Spinorama site has been in existence since 2021 and was founded by Pierre Aubert, a Belgian computer scientist, computer scientist, and automation specialist. It's a truly powerful, massive database containing information on approximately 750 speakers.
The idea behind it, originating from https://www.audiosciencereview.com/, is that the two or three private individuals worldwide who have access to the Klippel Nearfield Measurement System (EUR 140,000) can input the OBJECTIVE data of their speakers. Manufacturers who have the Klippel system and provide their RAW data can also participate. From these raw data, on-axis frequency responses, off-axis frequency responses, and much more are derived. Following an algorithm developed by Dr. Sean Olive, a scientist working for the Harman Corporation (http://seanolive.blogspot.com/), the results are converted into four metrics on a scale of 0 to 10.
The first metric assesses the speaker as it is. The second metric indicates what would happen if you were to combine the speaker with one or two PERFECT subwoofers (going down to 14 Hz, perfectly positioned, and playing perfectly linear from 14 to 150 Hz). The third metric tells how well the speaker would perform with some parametric equalization à la ROON (around 6-8 equalization points across the frequency range - PERFECT SETTINGS ARE ALSO PUBLISHED, BY THE WAY!). The final metric assesses how well the speaker would perform with all the bells and whistles (equalization plus a perfect subwoofer).
Sean Olive conducted hundreds of double-blind tests with speakers in the 80s and 90s and knows very well how people typically weigh factors when evaluating a speaker. It's such that a score of 7.0 points for the "bare speaker" already represents an exceptionally good speaker... So, no nonsense. These are essentially objectified subjective scores! How would the speaker subjectively please?
What's particularly cool is that $200 speakers can be compared to $25,000 speakers using this system. The ranking contains many surprises. I would only pay attention to speakers on the site where the quality of the measurements is high.
Unfortunately, they haven't tested any Nubert speakers on audiosciencereview.com or spinorama.org yet. For example, I consider the Nubert Nuvero 60, which my friend Pius has, to be an outstanding speaker with true monitor qualities and a nice bass range despite its moderate cabinet size (right between bookshelf and floor-standing speakers). Like many other German users, I would love to see it in this American database (there are already a few forum posts at audiosciencereview.com expressing this desire!), and Americans are really curious about German speakers!
Just yesterday, a German forum member asked me if I had succeeded in contacting Nubert - which is why I'm trying again with this email! And the meticulously crafted Nubert products really don't need to hide: for example, the Nubert Nuvero 60 likely reaches even lower in the bass than the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-LX, a two-way speaker priced at $1,500 per pair with an outstanding rating from the Klippel analysis device.
I find it interesting that compact, often active, two-way speakers (for example, Genelec 8030 C - noticeably better than the 8330 A!) paired with a subwoofer can objectively outperform many larger speakers. So, it might be advantageous to own two perfect subwoofers and place them closer to the listener, which wouldn't be possible with massive three- and four-way speakers with built-in bass drivers that can't be moved. Better phase alignment greets you! This would confirm a finding from the "Aktives-hören" forum.
So, my question and suggestion: Wouldn't it be an attractive opportunity to expand your reach as a German manufacturer if you were to contact Amir Majidimehr, the founder of Audiosciencereview.com (25% of the tested speakers are sent directly to Amir by manufacturers, most by curious forum members themselves), and send him a test sample of your "core speakers with particularly smooth axially measured frequency response and large quantities," perhaps the NuVero 60 and the NuPro SP-200, for analysis in Newport/Seattle (one sample of each speaker in mono would suffice)?
About the forum operator:
A bit about your host....
This is a bit about your host, Amir Majidimehr. I am writing this as to give more context to people reading my technical reviews and measurements. I have realized that without this context, many assume I am yet another blogger spitting out graphs. That is very true but let’s see if we can...
Best of luck in the future (where people increasingly value objective data and are increasingly interconnected, and therefore communicate this data more efficiently!) and, in general, always aiming for the best.
Sincerely, Thorsten
totti1965
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O.K. but i did the translation with deepL in nearly identical Form 2 months ago for the english speaking Community. Aaaaaah,
you think Chat GPT would find better words with less bla bla bla???
Go on! I am curious to see the results! Ha ha!
you think Chat GPT would find better words with less bla bla bla???
Go on! I am curious to see the results! Ha ha!
To be honest, if I were Nubert I'd only send something in if I were confident to score excellent on directivity smoothness.
The mentioned NuVero 60, undoubtably a nice speaker, doesn't seem to be optimised for this.
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Does Nubert have other offerings that do focus on this metric? Otherwise this might explain their current reluctance.
The mentioned NuVero 60, undoubtably a nice speaker, doesn't seem to be optimised for this.
Stereo: Produkt
Does Nubert have other offerings that do focus on this metric? Otherwise this might explain their current reluctance.
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Not really, the Nuvero is their reference series, due to the BMR used as a mid driver they radiate quite widely though, here another more detailed measurement of the 60:The mentioned NuVero 60, undoubtably a nice speaker, doesn't seem to be optimised for this.
Does Nubert have other offerings that do focus on this metric? Otherwise this might explain their current reluctance.Stereo: Produkt
Source of above measurements: https://www.hifitest.de/test/lautsprecher-stereo/nubert-nuvero-60-11921
totti1965
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Yeah! It seems to depend on which HiFi Magazine did the testing.Not really, the Nuvero is their reference series, due to the BMR used as a mid driver they radiate quite widely though, here another more detailed measurement of the 60:
Source of above measurements: https://www.hifitest.de/test/lautsprecher-stereo/nubert-nuvero-60-11921
I remember that the plot from stereoplay seamed to be beautiful in my ears. Even in directivity. At least in comparison with all the other speakers they have measured the 30 years before the Nubert Nuvero 60.
Like Crinacle says about his earphone-Hobby: I myself am a „measurebator“ - and that is why I love audiosciencereview.com and spinorama.org
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