All I know is that the LP edition cuts short "Why Worry" and that the SACD is in full surround.
The rest is just too much time on people's hands spent worrying about close to nothing.
Also, Mark Knopfler is better as a solo artist.
On the flipside, there are a lot of recordings from the analogue era, never reissued on CD, that labels are digitising and simply dumping onto streaming and download platforms without being sonically 'interfered' with. Lots of '50s and '60s material, especially from Sony.If you dive into the metadata it's usually a version of the latest CD release available. With stuff from the before the 90's there are probably at least half a dozen releases that are all different (without calling them a remaster). Just check out https://dr.loudness-war.info/ on how many versions your favorite 80's album had and how different the DR is (even if you dispute that the DR rating is relevant, it shows that the versions are not the same). For instance, check out Thriller.
That would be something! Instead of focusing on High-res, this would defiantly be a selling point!
This might be a different recording than my original CD
chopped of 5.2dB of the peak with two instances of Ozone Maximizer: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bu9UnBwTdfr4mr9QYXGCkeWPW0ecqgUz/view?usp=sharing
I am no engineer, and I could have tried harder (one more instance?), but I am interested what you guys hear
Agree so much ! For many many recordings I listen to, I find that the drums are in the background compared to the other instruments, it's like if it was something they want to hide...The original 1985 CD and LP had a kick drum "hit" at just after 1:00 which on a good system would give you a solid chest thump.... all the subsequent Masterings don't.
Forget the remasters - go back to the first release.
And yes they were used as promotional recordings those of us working in the business at the time, received free LP's / CD's... (I rashly traded my LP some years later... )
While the differences are much less than you would think doing the math or looking at the "wave forms" it is way more audible than the difference between a SINAD of 70 dB and 120 dB for an amp or DAC.This being ASR, I'm wondering how audible these differences in DR are to the average listener (or maybe this has already been answered?).
Seems low no? Some sort of vbr going on?Average bitrate: 691kbs
For FLAC? Admittedly on the lower side but nothing unheard of.Seems low no?
Now you are talking about uncompressed audio.edit: come to think of it, it's just under the correct rate for mono?
You're quite right, had myself confused and forgot about compression, my mistake!For FLAC? Admittedly on the lower side but nothing unheard of.
Now you are talking about uncompressed audio.
Compression is dynamic range limiting.drums not having punch anymore has less to do with DR limiting. it's a sound design choice (compression). with the heavy use of drum computers in the 80ies punchy drums just didn't sound "modern" anymore. it is very sad indeed.
Compression is dynamic range limiting.
I have this CD too, which I've also ripped using EAC & Accuraterip, but it's not my favourite. The DR is great but I notice slight artefacting/distortion on the high frequencies, which is particularly noticeable on the cymbals.The 1985 CD release of Brothers was the very first CD I ever bought. I still have a bit perfect rip on my hard drive that I listen to often.
It sounds awesome and has that 16db average range that gives the sound it's drive.
Kind of kills that whole BS myth about how early CD's sounded like shit doesn't it? LOL
Perfect sound forever, pretty dang near when done correctly, thank you.
From what I have seen the most dynamic popular music was recorded from the late 1970's through the early 1990's. Pink Floyd and Dire Straits are notable are examples from the 1970's but there were many others. Even early "grunge" music was digitally recorded and very dynamic such as early Nirvana, Meat Puppets, and others. I would argue the "peak" of dynamic recording was during the late 1980's and early 1990's when engineers were really getting to understand digital recording. Tracy Chapman's 1988 debut is a good example. Some of the best popular dynamic recordings in my opinion are Lyle Lovetts first 4 albums (late 1980's through early 1990's) ... these really showed what the potential of digital recording could be. From the early 1990's on things changed quickly and dynamic popular recordings got louder and louder until today when everything is loud whether new or remastered. See below, I sometimes pick up the "Grammy compilation CD's" at thrifts. By 1997 the Grammy pop recordings were compressed compared to earlier but not too bad but by 2019 anything popular pretty much had to follow the "super loud" style. Things have not changed much since.
That's interesting. The original absolutely sounds better to me. The limit version sounds like it has some clipping, but doesn't sound as compressed as the commercial release. Eg this version is much louder: https://open.qobuz.com/track/625086Yep. I took the 1988 sample from the page and limited it using some ffmpeg options, that I found on the internet (i.e. someone who knows what they're doing could do it better). This reduced DR from 12 to 7 and peaks by 6 dB:
If anyone wants to compare them, the samples are available here. You can judge how big of a difference does it make. To me, almost none, maybe you have better ears. And I'm not saying this justifies it, but it's good to have some perspectiveCode:DR Peak RMS Duration Title [codec] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR12 -3.22 dB -17.41 dB 0:30 money-for-notthing-1988.flac DR7 -9.40 dB -17.44 dB 0:30 money-limit.flac
There is also a "money-mix.flac" file there, which switches between the two every 5 seconds:
I agree, the production on those albums is superb.What I consider to be almost perfect mastering of a heavy rock album (or double album?) and a great example of what can be achieved when you do it right is the Guns 'n Roses Use Your Illusion