• WANTED: Happy members who like to discuss audio and other topics related to our interest. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required. There are many reviews of audio hardware and expert members to help answer your questions. Click here to have your audio equipment measured for free!

Review and Measurements of Topping D10 DAC

Veri

Master Contributor
Joined
Feb 6, 2018
Messages
9,598
Likes
12,040
Thanks for the quick reply!
Yup I'm using windows.
I was just wondering as others said the sample rates changed on the display depending on what they were listening to.
And do you have any idea why the driver doesn't allow 384khz?
They will change when you use exclusive mode rather than windows directsound which will use one sample rate at all time, the one you configured...

384khz and 768khz are often buggy on Windows configuration pane but if you use wasapi or asio and your DAC supports it, it will work.
 

errolng

Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2019
Messages
5
Likes
0
I just tried checking the exclusive mode on mpc-hc but it still follows my windows settings.
Is asio or wasapi needed for this as well?
 

Veri

Master Contributor
Joined
Feb 6, 2018
Messages
9,598
Likes
12,040
I just tried checking the exclusive mode on mpc-hc but it still follows my windows settings.
Is asio or wasapi needed for this as well?
That's odd it should now auto set rate. You restarted the program?
 

bequietjk

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2019
Messages
462
Likes
474
Has anyone had any good luck using a Twin head USB seperating data and power with the D10? I've been using mine as a SPDIF converter to my ENOG2 but there is almost no difference in SQ (to my ears) using coax out of D10 into the ENOG2 VS Toslink optical from PC into the ENOG2.
 

somebodyelse

Major Contributor
Joined
Dec 5, 2018
Messages
3,754
Likes
3,053
Has anyone had any good luck using a Twin head USB seperating data and power with the D10? I've been using mine as a SPDIF converter to my ENOG2 but there is almost no difference in SQ (to my ears) using coax out of D10 into the ENOG2 VS Toslink optical from PC into the ENOG2.
If the ENOG2 has properly designed SPDIF and Toslink inputs there should be zero difference in performance between them.
 

graz_lag

Major Contributor
Joined
Oct 13, 2018
Messages
1,296
Likes
1,584
Location
Le Mans, France
... Is the Topping D10 an asynchronous DAC? ...

YES, see the asound output of mine ...

1570529822543.png
 

macauley86

Member
Joined
Oct 8, 2019
Messages
42
Likes
60
I emailed Topping about the D10's inverted impulse, with a link to Archimago's test. This was their reply:

You should be saying that its output phase is opposite to the input. We think this is normal and not a problem.
Best Regards!
 

GermanViking

New Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2018
Messages
3
Likes
1
I personally use the DX3 pro driver for my D10 and it works fine... can use up to 384khz with no problem now with JRiver media center.
A Topping guy told me to use the DX3 pro driver. It needs a little more recourses, but for me it works fine.

Sorry for any typos... My english is average.

Greetings from germany
Marko
 

holsen

Member
Joined
May 5, 2019
Messages
19
Likes
5
This is a review of the recently released Topping D10 DAC. I purchased mine from massdrop for just $75 including shipping. I see it online from Aliexpress for $89. I must say, this is one of the most handsome budget DACs I have seen with a nice retro amber/orange 7-segment LED display:

View attachment 11515

Despite its very low price, the unit is solidly built out of thick aluminum and has good bit of heft to it. As a result, the cables connected to it stay put.

The only on the input is USB. Outputs are of course analog unbalanced RCA but also Toslink and S/PDIF coax:

View attachment 11516

Format support is excellent as indicated on the front panel and more detail at Topping website: http://www.tpdz.net/en/products/d10/index.htm

Unlike vast majority of audio hardware out there, Topping has full FCC/CE regulatory emissions certification together with that of "high-res audio" the certificate of which is included in the box! That certification is apparently done in Japan. The regulator emissions certification is useful for those of you who sweat traditions from your gear.

The USB interface is class 2 compliant meaning no driver was necessary to use it in my Roon player using exclusive mode, WASAPI in Windows 10 Creators Edition. Auto-detected formats by Roon are:

View attachment 11517

I know most of you are anxious to see how it measures. So let's get into that. As usual, if you are not familiar with what these graphs are, refer to my tutorial on understanding audio measurements: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/understanding-audio-measurements.2351/

Measurements
Because this is a USB only DAC, I can only run a subset of my usual measurements. For this review, I compared the Topping D10 to my previously recommended Behringer UMC204HD. The Behringer is a good DAC but has anemic output which means it can't drive some amplifiers to full output. It also looks more like a pro piece of equipment and not an expensive one at that. The Topping D10 remedies all of these but let's see how it compares specifically, starting with jitter and noise:

View attachment 11526

The Behringer is in yellow and Topping D10 in red. As we see, the topping D10 has some jitter sidebands around our main tone of 12 kHz. So in that regard it is worse than Behringer. However, if you look at the amplitude of our tone, you see that the output of the Behringer is lower. Compensated, the signal to noise ratio of Behringer is worse than Topping D10 and the jitter spikes would be barely visible. Regardless, the jitter components are at a whopping -130 dB and lower which are absolutely not an audible concern.

As a bonus and to show how good these measurements are, I have also shown a preview of the measurements of the Schiit Fulla which retails for $99 (but has a headphone amp) in green. As you see, its signal to noise ratio is much worse.

If you want perfection here, then you would need to step up to Topping D50 ($250) which has the same noise floor but no jitter spikes to speak of.

Next let's look at linearity or how well the DAC produces the output voltages that we instruct it to, from digital domain:

View attachment 11519

Very respectable performance from both DACs. Even when we start to see deviations from perfect zero dB line, nothing goes wild all the way up to -120 dB (20 bits). The Topping D10 though pulls ahead a bit but sticking to zero line more perfectly than the Behringer. This is no doubt due to its higher output.

We can see a confirmation of that in a much clearer picture as we look at the ability of the DAC to reproduce a -90 dB sine wave (at the limit of 16 bit audio):

View attachment 11520

The picture speaks for itself. The Topping D10 produces excellent output that resembles a nice sine wave whereas the Behringer UMC204HD has too low of an output and a noisier one at that.

Let's look at harmonic distortion where the Behringer has been an excellent champion at:

View attachment 11521

Ah, we discover something interesting. The Behringer doesn't show a lot of harmonic distortion because its noise floor is much higher. The Behringer beats it by as much as 25 db. By doing so, its harmonic distortion is visible but they are all lower than what the Behringer produces (note: this noise is the combination of the DAC and my analyzer). Net, net the Topping D10 has far better performance even though its graph looks more "busy."

Edit: forgot to post the frequency response/channel matching:

View attachment 11576

Measured output voltage was 2.113 volts (RMS) on one channel and 2.108 on the other so very excellent (0.021 dB difference). Response is essentially ruler flat to 20 kHz.

Conclusions
The Topping D10 is a delightful audio DAC. It looks very "cute" and masculine at the same time. I cannot fathom how it can be built and shipped at such incredibly low prices. Combine that with proper manufacturing that includes regulatory certification and such and the value you get is just amazing.

Measured performance is excellent and just shy of its more expensive brothers like the Topping D50. With its much higher output vs Behringer UMC204HD (1.5 volt RMS vs 1.1 volt) it is suitable to drive any and all amplifiers.

For an entry level DAC without headphone output I cannot recommend the Topping D10 enough! Another job well done by Topping.

EDIT: Updated measurements using new analyzer here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...surements-of-topping-d10-dac.2470/post-157302

As always, questions, comments, corrections, jokes, etc. are all welcome!
----
If you like this review, please consider donating funds for these types of hardware purchase using Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/audiosciencereview), or upgrading your membership here though Paypal (https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...eview-and-measurements.2164/page-3#post-59054).
Just bought one! Was ready to get the d50s (I have the d50) but found this d10 new on ebay for $21 shipping included.... How could I say no? Anyway, looking forward
Thanks for bringing this up. I meant to mention it. This new test is completely different than the previous one. So the results can't be compared. They both used USB though it is just that the test methodology is very different (impacts on how the measurement system works).
Just bought one! I was about to pull the trigger on D50s (already have a D50) but found a D10 on ebay for $22 incl shipping. How can I say no? Anyway, really looking forward to using at my desktop paired with the JDS Atom I also just bought due to your fine work! Thank you
 

Veri

Master Contributor
Joined
Feb 6, 2018
Messages
9,598
Likes
12,040
Just bought one! I was about to pull the trigger on D50s (already have a D50) but found a D10 on ebay for $22 incl shipping. How can I say no? Anyway, really looking forward to using at my desktop paired with the JDS Atom I also just bought due to your fine work! Thank you
$22?!
 

holsen

Member
Joined
May 5, 2019
Messages
19
Likes
5
Yep, with Paypal buyer protection, I had to roll the dice. The order status shows "Shipped"
I wrote and asked how they could do it... they said the whole store was on sale to clear inventory. I'll let you know.
 

Jmudrick

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Forum Donor
Joined
Oct 7, 2018
Messages
778
Likes
703
Has anyone had any good luck using a Twin head USB seperating data and power with the D10? .

Yes I do this, no I haven't tested to see whether/how much it is making a difference (I set it up this way when I bought the D10).
 

Alou

Active Member
Joined
Oct 21, 2019
Messages
146
Likes
53
I Have a question concerning the D10 power on ,on the topping site there was description saying" Because the D10 synchronously powers on and off with your PC, no power button is needed " ,yet the D10 stays on all the time when the PC is on of course due to USB power.
I was wondering if this is going to wear down the circuit or if there is a way to power on off the D10 ,other them pulling out the USB cord.
 

guenthi_r

Active Member
Joined
May 8, 2019
Messages
130
Likes
103
Location
Europe/Austria
I Have a question concerning the D10 power on ,on the topping site there was description saying" Because the D10 synchronously powers on and off with your PC, no power button is needed " ,yet the D10 stays on all the time when the PC is on of course due to USB power.
I was wondering if this is going to wear down the circuit or if there is a way to power on off the D10 ,other them pulling out the USB cord.

D10 have a auto-standby funktion.
 

Alou

Active Member
Joined
Oct 21, 2019
Messages
146
Likes
53
Yes they do if you turn the pc on or off ,not when its on.When the PC is on its always on power.
Anyway its easier to just remove the usb cord.
 
Top Bottom