Review and Measurements of Schiit Yggdrasil V2 DAC

[T.M.Noble]

Does Google not work for you? Start with the classic papers of Lipshitz & Vanderkooy, Clark, Carlstrom, and of course Olive and Toole.

ABX is one format for controlled testing. There are many others, which have been well established in sensory science. The key is ears only- double blind and level matched. Don’t do that and you’re playing make believe- or marketing.

So we are either delusional or liars? Please, tell me what you really think?! Also, for a forum that claims to be helpful you, in particular and not a reflection of others, certainly can't resist being demeaning. It's impressive, really.

The point of the listening test was to challenge presuppositions on what DAC would sound best versus what the individual experienced separate of their own bias. We weren't looking to publish the results.

So essentially all the papers that were in Clark's Ten Year's of A/B/X testing that was presented at AES in 91. I was just wondering if there was any other seminal work I might have missed.

 

[T.M.Noble]

I believe T. M is more on the marketing /PR side, he's saying contact the designers/technical side directly if you want to go into technical product details.

Correct. I have some knowledge but if you want to know rigorous detail of how Jason and Mike approach R&D you will have to ask them.

 

[T.M.Noble]

I believe T. M is more on the marketing /PR side, he's saying contact the designers/technical side directly if you want to go into technical product details.

AND HOW DARE YOU?!?!?! I am their Director of Finance/Administration. I would never sully my good name as a PR guy. But seriously I wanted Schiit to have a presence here so I volunteered for the position. I guess I am a bit of a PR guy. Sadly.

 

[Jimbob54]

AND HOW DARE YOU?!?!?! I am their Director of Finance/Administration. I would never sully my good name as a PR guy. But seriously I wanted Schiit to have a presence here so I volunteered for the position. I guess I am a bit of a PR guy. Sadly.

Schiits very own Daniel! Hats off to you. (fellow finance and admin type here too).

 

[ShiZo]

Luckily, I don't have to worry about schiit r&d. My very first purchase in audio was the original jotunheim, it had a loud 80hz hum that I fixed with a humx. But there was still backround noise so I purchased a usb isolater that helped. There was still noise with no music playing and touching the knob would lower the noise for some odd reason. This issue was identified by Amir so after his review I sent my jotunheim in to be "fixed". But it came back with the same issue with the knob and noise.

I ended up finding this site and purchasing a rme adi 2 dac. I was blown away by how great it sounded and no matter how much I turned up the volume, I could not hear the noise floor (I got rid of my humx and usb isolator because the rme wasn't broken). This lesson really taught me a lot. If you are wondering why people appreciate Amir's third party testing, this type of situation is why. Without this site I might still be in audiofoolia.

Sending it in to get fixed and schiit being unable to fix the problem told me all I needed to know about schiit, at least at that time. I have noticed in more recent years a more scientific approach seemed to have been taken by schitt, particularly after Amir's reviews which seemed really promising. Maybe I was just being too optimistic.

 

[T.M.Noble]

Schiits very own Daniel! Hats off to you. (fellow finance and admin type here too).

Indeed. Six and a half years running. Been a ride, for sure.

 

[SIY]

So we are either delusional or liars? Please, tell me what you really think?! Also, for a forum that claims to be helpful you, in particular and not a reflection of others, certainly can't resist being demeaning. It's impressive, really.

The point of the listening test was to challenge presuppositions on what DAC would sound best versus what the individual experienced separate of their own bias. We weren't looking to publish the results.

So essentially all the papers that were in Clark's Ten Year's of A/B/X testing that was presented at AES in 91. I was just wondering if there was any other seminal work I might have missed.

Please don’t put words in my mouth. THAT is dishonest.

I’ve given you the start you need to bring yourself up to speed on the basics. Now it’s up to you.

 

[T.M.Noble]

Please don’t put words in my mouth. THAT is dishonest.

I’ve given you the start you need to bring yourself up to speed on the basics. Now it’s up to you.

Wouldn't dream of it. I don't need to do that. Your opinion seems very clear. If you are not trying to be demeaning or adversarial. My apologies.

Thanks for the confirmation. I am well up to speed as I already have those sources.

 

[SIY]

Wouldn't dream of it. I don't need to do that. Your opinion seems very clear. If you are not trying to be demeaning or adversarial. My apologies.

Thanks for the confirmation. I am well up to speed as I already have those sources.

Excellent! Now let’s see controlled listening tests.

I have no experience with your products, but I’ve tested quite a few other good measuring DACs and mostly haven’t found an audible difference between them. One exception: the RME with the NOS filter sounds slightly softer than the bypass. With the normal filter, it sounds the same as all the other competent DACs I’ve tried.

 

[TLEDDY]

AND HOW DARE YOU?!?!?! I am their Director of Finance/Administration. I would never sully my good name as a PR guy. But seriously I wanted Schiit to have a presence here so I volunteered for the position. I guess I am a bit of a PR guy. Sadly.

Very funny!! Kudos...

 

[MaxBuck]

When it comes to the animus between Amir and Schiit, I have no dog in that race. But I'm strongly pleased with my bargain-basement Modi 3+, and if Schiit made something with the DSP capabilities of the RME ADI-2 or the miniDSP products, I'd be shopping on their pages for my next upgrade. I think they know what they're doing, choose not to chase SINAD nadir at all times, and they don't BS about what they do.

 

[ShiZo]

When it comes to the animus between Amir and Schiit, I have no dog in that race. But I'm strongly pleased with my bargain-basement Modi 3+, and if Schiit made something with the DSP capabilities of the RME ADI-2 or the miniDSP products, I'd be shopping on their pages for my next upgrade. I think they know what they're doing, choose not to chase SINAD nadir at all times, and they don't BS about what they do.

RME doesn't chase sinad while having transparent performance.

 

[Sal1950]

But seriously I wanted Schiit to have a presence here so I volunteered for the position. I guess I am a bit of a PR guy. Sadly.

Your doing a dang good job of it.
I do wish all our members would attempt to be as cordial.
I would hope that in the end the waters could be smoothed and good relations could be returned to.
No one wins if that can't be accomplished, we all lose.
Cheers All,
Sal1950

 

[gvl]

I can't find a THD+N(F) sweep in Schitt's data, but they include CCIF(F) which I think is another way to look at the former. Seems that the multi-tone won't be as pretty as 1kHz testing, but let's wait and see.

 

[MaxBuck]

RME doesn't chase sinad while having transparent performance.

Okay. Nor did I suggest they necessarily do. But RME stuff is pretty uniformly regarded as being very well engineered.

 

[amirm]

To be clear, I will review any Schiit product members or company sends me. My testing of electronic products is all objective/standardized with no way for me to influence them. Beyond this, I have been gushing about the company and its new approach in the last couple of years in my reviews and commentary in general. That came crashing down with the interview that Mike and Jason gave and disrespectful tone toward me, and what we are about. This is not going to stop me from giving a fair review of Schiit products but my personal position is no longer one to advocate the company as a whole.

 

[Doodski]

To be clear, I will review any Schiit product members or company sends me. My testing of electronic products is all objective/standardized with no way for me to influence them. Beyond this, I have been gushing about the company and its new approach in the last couple of years in my reviews and commentary in general. That came crashing down with the interview that Mike and Jason gave and disrespectful tone toward me, and what we are about. This is not going to stop me from giving a fair review of Schiit products but my personal position is no longer one to advocate the company as a whole.

How can I view this video? What is a proper link?

 

[ShiZo]

How can I view this video? What is a proper link?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Even though I'll undoubtable disagree, I'd still like to see what was said.

 

[garbulky]

Link please!

 

[amirm]

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/going-to-axpona.24112/page-2#post-814929