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Review and Measurements of Schiit Yggdrasil V2 DAC
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Have you considered the actual logical conclusion though?
If you hear a difference between the Y and the DX7 it is -because- of the extra noise and distortion. If you can't hear it then logically they would sound the same but since you do hear a difference then what you are hearing is 99.9999% likely to be the extra noise and distortion, which you, and presumably many others, like the sound of.
Doesn't make sense to me either. If it sounds different we must be able to hear the added harmonics. If we prefer the sound it is because we like a few added even harmonics thrown in. Any other explanation is straw grasping or believing in magic.So... it can't sound better, even though we likely don't hear that bad stuff? That doesn't make sense to me
I think that's a bit of oversimplification of what we hear. I have a dozen of cd players, and all of them sound differently. For example acoustic guitars on some sound detailed and clear but a bit artificial, not like on live music, the same can be said for harp, cymbals etc.
I don't think this is due to distortion, but maybe other factors.
Also some players are more "musical" for a kind of music, they have a lot of PRAT, some are neutral, some are dull.
If all these measure the same, then for some reasons human ear and brain are more capable than measuring instruments..
You are drawing the magic straw grasping conclusion so prevalent in audio in recent years. Our ears are definitely and demonstrably not more capable than the measurement instruments and differences are either due to the distortion and noise added or are placebo effect IME.
I worked mainly on record players. In them more "prat" is heard if there are mechanical resonances in the upper mid band transmitted to the cartridge body. Easily measured and demonstrated.
One must consider the possibility they are influencing what they hear, I think people look at the kit they are using when the difference in perception might originate within the self and exclusively so in some instances.
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I think he's saying that the "bad bits" of the measurements are not going to make the unit sound better - not that they will be noticeable and make it sound worse by default.
They're not a "feature", they're a "bug" - even if it's inaudible.
He's not going into the way the units sound, just the measurements they make.
And the claims made by the brands.
From what I've seen of Amir's measurements I don't have any doubt as to their legitimacy.
Even he says most is inaudible?
I think he's showing the tech specs and comparing them to other units - highlighting flaws in the advertised specs, reported measurements and fanboy hype.
Has he ever said the Topping variety sounds better than the Schitt equivalent?
Or just that it measures better and closer to the specs it's sold at as to the price that the Schitt units are sold at with those specs advertised?
Who knows - Amir, if given the choice, may far prefer listening to his headphones through a Schitt setup than a Topping one if he finds they sound better to him.
That's not what he's putting forward here though - all he's doing is taking measurements and publishing them, with a bit of editorial content in the summary.
He's saying they don't measure as advertised or on par with less expensive products - people argue that they sound great.
He's not caring about the sound, just the measurements??
Others aren't caring about the measurements, just the sound?
If Schitt said "The Yaggi measures like crap, bit sounds great" there wouldn't be any heated discussion.
If Schitt said "The Yaggi measures brilliantly with zero flaws" then any measurements that show flaws will cause discussion.
Even if those flaws are inaudible.
All Amir was saying in the ^^ is that the bad, inaudible bits can't make the sound better - even if they don't make it sound worse or have no effect.
I agree, but every dac make a violin sound differently.. I think there should be other measurement maybe not yet possible to differentiate what we hear.
Evidence?
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Yep - and once those are out - Schitt, Topping (and everyone else) will be tested by Amir to make sure the products they sell have the "Violin Quotient" that they advertise.
Can you say which one of the different sounding DACs have a better violin sound?
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Cheers - hadn't seen much subjective opinions on here so far. (edit: from Amir)
Any on the Yaggi?
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Did you continue to read after the phrase you quoted?
Amir deliberately did not match levels at first with the not very suprising outcome that "louder is better".
That’s a terrible case of taking a quote out of context. Please don’t do this, I will leave it in this instance but really you should delete or edit the post as it’s misleading.
Did Amir "[say] the Topping variety sounds better than the Schitt equivalent"? Yes, he did.
Did Amir "[say] the Topping variety sounds better than the Schitt equivalent" when level matched. No, he did not.
I provided a link to the context of the quote. I'm not wrong and I did not intend to be misleading.
Well anyone reading this thread and the exchange your quote was relating to with member @raband would be given a false impression .
I’m assuming this was unintentional on your behalf, for the benefit of clear communication you should reconsider it.
Now perform that comparison under controlled conditions and see if you can identify which is which.
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