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Review and Measurements of Schiit Yggdrasil V2 DAC

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Did I say anything about level matching? No, but I think it is needless to say, that we did level matching.
So now we are going to say the Yggy had a louder level? If anything the RME with its 6V output is more likely to have had a louder level. Is that what we are going with here? Come on guys. We have a multi person blind test and we are throwing it out because it isn't level matched. I think using HD600's to conduct a blind test is a bigger issue than level matching. (And I use HD-600's and love them). We don't even know Amir's DBT method.
 

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Measurements showed a clearly broken DAC implementation. 24 bit signals were being truncated instead of dithered, showing non-linearities. Post my review and measurements, Schitt fixed this and purchased a proper audio analyzer as I have.

The fact that you could not hear the distortions created that are objectively there and accepted by the manufacture, shows your hearing is poor on that front.

The mistake by Schiit was textbook signal processing error. It is something they teach you in DSP 101. And this was in a DAC sold for more than $2,000. This is why it was easy to recommend that people not purchase it. It was not well-engineered. That you can't hear the artifacts is not an excuse. Someone else might.
Who? Show me this magical person hearing these "artifacts" in actual music listening.
 

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Did I say anything about level matching? No, but I think it is needless to say, that we did level matching.
Well, let's hear how that was done.
 

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So now we are going to say the Yggy had a louder level? If anything the RME with its 6V output is more likely to have had a louder level.
RME has both adjustable settings and a big volume control in the front for making variable changes. That may not be at issue here but we need 100% proper documentation of it. I do so many AB tests these days and it is remarkable how little volume differential it takes to produce false results.
 
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distortions...I want to assure you of my deepest sympathy, but we don't hear anything like that. Your golden ears seem to be flying with your measurement.

"1. Levels must be measured and matched. This will easily change the votes. Using level differential I can make any DAC regardless of cost/performance "sound better" than others."

levels were matched off course.

"The problem with audiophiles is that they always give themselves a grade of A in hearing differences. "
We are no audiophiles...please read again!

"2. You need to run enough tests to make sure these are not lucky guesses."???
And you mr, you need alone to test different DACS with one headphone to judge? come on..

You act like a shot chicken.

Its about sound.
 

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If I puff on a joint right now, is the same song I just listened to gonna sound better?

I have found humidity levels in my house , which change rapidly where I live , to make a big difference in audio quality.

Lower humidity= Better.
 

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The RME DAC has always been certified to have an extreme resolution in the stereo spectrum. In the lowend a precise reproduction was recognized. However, the RME DAC was never able to create any depth gradation, nor were the instruments assigned clear spaces.
Voices were always classified as cold, as thin, as annoying in the " Desser " range.
Voices were absent from all test persons, the naturalness like physicality and warmth.
As you know (or should know), RME gear is exceptionally popular in Pro world. What do you reckon is wrong with their ears that is not by yours?

Surely they, the talent and musicians are not approving content that sounds "cold, thin or annoying." How do you explain that?
 
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"RME has both adjustable settings and a big volume control in the front for making variable changes. That may not be at issue here but we need 100% proper documentation of it. I do so many AB tests these days and it is remarkable how little volume differential it takes to produce false results."

you, you, you.....
kicks it finally...its all about you...
we are 8 persons with respectable backgrounds...with proper blind test...
you are offering some measurements and your personal subjective listening experience via headphone
with no objective measured listening booth....you never offered us your listening experience (all alone)
its ridiculous...
 

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If I puff on a joint right now, is the same song I just listened to gonna sound better?
Even without said joint it can sound different. :)

Here is an experiment to show that.

Make a copy of a digital file. Play the first copy and then when playing the second one, focus on what detail there is in it, how much air, how live, etc. I guarantee you will hear more of all of that even though nothing has absolutely changed! Here is the kicker, with full knowledge of this, you can listen back to the original file and hear it as "cold, not detailed, etc." Or not. Keep playing the two files back and forth and fidelity differences will be there.

The hearing system is very lossy and the brain constantly adjusts how much it captures. By focusing on music, as people do in tests, you all of a sudden hear detail that has always been there. By not realizing this, people attribute the differences to gear when in reality the thing that has changed, is the person's state of mind, not the sound waves hitting their ears.
 

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you, you, you.....
kicks it finally...its all about you...
we are 8 persons with respectable backgrounds...with proper blind test...
Nope. Nothing that is described so far makes it "proper." All you have said the test was blind but nothing indicates you know what that means in this context.

Are you going to take Ethan's generational loss test? It only involves your ears. No measurements.
 

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Even without said joint it can sound different. :)

Here is an experiment to show that.

Make a copy of a digital file. Play the first copy and then when playing the second one, focus on what detail there is in it, how much air, how live, etc. I guarantee you will hear more of all of that even though nothing has absolutely changed! Here is the kicker, with full knowledge of this, you can listen back to the original file and hear it as "cold, not detailed, etc." Or not. Keep playing the two files back and forth and fidelity differences will be there.

The hearing system is very lossy and the brain constantly adjusts how much it captures. By focusing on music, as people do in tests, you all of a sudden hear detail that has always been there. By not realizing this, people attribute the differences to gear when in reality the thing that has changed, is the person's state of mind, not the sound waves hitting their ears.
Well said and completely true.
 
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"As you know (or should know), RME gear is exceptionally popular in Pro world. What do you reckon is wrong with their ears that is not by yours?
Surely they, the talent and musicians are not approving content that sounds "cold, thin or annoying." How do you explain that?"

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its easy with rme: rme offers for years the best drivers in recording field for the "money". that is the reason for rme's popularity.
when we are talking about SQ in the recording industry we are talking about lynx, Moto, universal audio...they are all about sound.
that's easy
 

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How was level matching performed?
How was the "blind" set up when you ran the test? Did you switch inputs on a preamp behind a screen or what?
 

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How was level matching performed?
How was the "blind" set up when you ran the test? Did you switch inputs on a preamp behind a screen or what?
The screen thing is a perfect scenario for Clever Hans. :cool:

I think we’ve established that no actual controls were done here.
 
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How was level matching performed?

REW, Reaper, Logic......etc assuming a microphone such as at least one Beyerdynamic mm1 with a calibration file
 
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