Review and Measurements of Schiit Yggdrasil V2 DAC

[Thomas Savage]

@amirm I think your warm up time measurements are pretty important. Would you consider repeating the measurement every week for up to say 3 weeks?

Why? Nothing we have seen so far suggests this is necessary. I think there’s better things to be doing than wasting time on waiting for schiit to warm up.

Feel free to speculate, what’s of intrest?

 

[bennetng]

If manufacturers believe their products will benefit from burn in/warm up/break in/whatever, they should not get any money from their customers until the measurements prove that their products really consistently measured better after long term use.

 

[έχω δίκιο]

@amirm I think your warm up time measurements are pretty important. Would you consider repeating the measurement every week for up to say 3 weeks?

That's not nearly long enough. Whenever I want to listen to music, I allow my system to warm-up for at least six months. In the last month of warm-up, I gradually increase the volume from inaudible to a normal listening level using music carefully chosen such that it is not of the type that will startle my audio equipment.

 

[έχω δίκιο]

Eventually Archimago returned the product. If I were him, I will also do the same.

My point is not the differences are audible or not. I don't even believe I can hear the artifacts of the Yggy despite how "bad" it measured, it just proved that it doesn't worth the money.

We are in complete agreement. I wouldn't trust equipment that did that. It's a manifestation of either a design flaw or component failure. And I don't want to hold on to the equipment until the warranty runs out and the component hard-fails.

 

[rebbiputzmaker]

There are many 'audiophiles' who claim that audio cables, and even power cables, need to be broken in and that the sound will improve over time, but it doesn't mean that it's true.

But, one does not have to lump all people together. Some have legitimate claims and some rather sketchy. How about possibly some general respect, that not everyone is an idiot. YMMV

 

[rebbiputzmaker]

If manufacturers believe their products will benefit from burn in/warm up/break in/whatever, they should not get any money from their customers until the measurements prove that their products really consistently measured better after long term use.

But if one cannot hear these"measurements" why should it matter?

Are we buying audio equipment for listening, or for measuring?

 

[Blumlein 88]

But, one does not have to lump all people together. Some have legitimate claims and some rather sketchy. How about possibly some general respect, that not everyone is an idiot. YMMV

Can you explain to us how your gear changes during warm up? I give some credence to the idea for power amps and tube gear. Most others don't need more than a few minutes if that.

Do you have an hypothesis as to what is changing in your gear as it warms up/breaks in (or were you merely referring to warm up)? Do you hold some un-measurable quality is changing or does your gear change measurably? You never did answer any of these queries.

 

[garbulky]

Why? Nothing we have seen so far suggests this is necessary. I think there’s better things to be doing than wasting time on waiting for schiit to warm up.

Feel free to speculate, what’s of intrest?

The users have reported that they heard differences up to three weeks, though much more subtle than the first three days which were supposed to be larger differences. Showing measurements would be interesting to see if their listening matches with the measurements.

 

[SIY]

A 3 week auditory memory of subtle differences. Sounds likely.

Where's the rolling-eyes smiley?

 

[Blumlein 88]

 

[SIY]

Thank you.

 

[svart-hvitt]

Remember to control for the full-moon effect!

Very important.

 

[Blumlein 88]

The users have reported that they heard differences up to three weeks, though much more subtle than the first three days which were supposed to be larger differences. Showing measurements would be interesting to see if their listening matches with the measurements.

Given the first three days are the largest, and given the measured results so far, would you say listening matches with measurements?

 

[bennetng]

But if one cannot hear these"measurements" why should it matter?
Are we buying audio equipment for listening, or for measuring?

That's because some manufacturers use measurement as an advertising tool. Then it should be very logical that their actual measured performance is within expectation.
The folks in SBAF also measure things and they also care about the measurement results right?

 

[amirm]

@amirm I think your warm up time measurements are pretty important. Would you consider repeating the measurement every week for up to say 3 weeks?

The owner has allowed me to keep the unit for three weeks so that is possible. However, I am not sure I will be home for that full duration. To the extent I am, I will measure and post the results.

 

[amirm]

Are we buying audio equipment for listening, or for measuring?

See the FAQ here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...rstanding-audio-measurements.2351/#post-65101

And oh, if you are in a measurement thread, the assumption is that you care about measurements.

 

[rebbiputzmaker]

See the FAQ here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...rstanding-audio-measurements.2351/#post-65101

And oh, if you are in a measurement thread, the assumption is that you care about measurements.

Yes, measurements are interesting and can be very useful but, I hope there ultimately can be balance in understanding the purpose of the endeavor. Measurements have little meaning when held in a vacuum IMO.

 

[svart-hvitt]

Yes, measurements are interesting and can be very useful but, I hope there ultimately can be balance in understanding the purpose of the endeavor. Measurements have little meaning when held in a vacuum IMO.

@amirm has also commented on Schitt’s soldering technique. In sum, measurements and under the hood scrutiny have, I am sure, been of great interest to many ASR readers.

 

[Blumlein 88]

Yes, measurements are interesting and can be very useful but, I hope there ultimately can be balance in understanding the purpose of the endeavor. Measurements have little meaning when held in a vacuum IMO.

I agree with you. Drawing the line is partly the issue. The other is even if two pieces of gear are both beyond perceiving, but one costs ten times as much while having measurably lesser performance then why would anyone purchase it?

So in this thread about the Yggy, it appears to be at best a moderately good performing DAC bettered measurably by cheaper devices. It also doesn't offer remote control. So would you review it yourself and say you recommend it or tell perspective owners to look elsewhere? Or do we get some more rhetorical responses that lead nowhere.

 

[rebbiputzmaker]

Can you explain to us how your gear changes during warm up? I give some credence to the idea for power amps and tube gear. Most others don't need more than a few minutes if that.

Do you have an hypothesis as to what is changing in your gear as it warms up/breaks in (or were you merely referring to warm up)? Do you hold some un-measurable quality is changing or does your gear change measurably? You never did answer any of these queries.

Did not get around to it. As far as the DAC in the conversation, don't own it. Just don't see the word "myth" used by people who have never even sniffed the item appropriate. Just repeating what one reads on the net IMO is a recipe for disaster. Referring to the same DAC, it is stretch IMO to assume everyone who has this first-hand experience is delusional. In my 50 years of experience, power supplies caps and chokes, output transformers. (tube power amps). etc.