Review and Measurements of Lyngdorf RoomPerfect EQ

[Overseas]

My goal is clear, to add RC by one click, no complicated stuff needing a smart operator. Dunno if feasible.

 

[Mr. Widget]

My goal is clear, to add RC by one click, no complicated stuff needing a smart operator. Dunno if feasible.

It is absolutely feasible. Buy the Lyngdorf. It is extremely easy to use and it works very well.
I wouldn't use it WITH your Yamaha, I would use it to REPLACE your Yamaha, but you can set it to unity gain and make it work with your existing amp if you want.

 

[Overseas]

For the moment nothing will replace the Yamaha, it is a permanent-grin-producing-machine. Just researching until Wiim will launch a RC streamer.

 

[Overseas]

Please help.
I have a very good opportunity for TDAI 1120, so I am asking this: As I am primarily interested in the RoomPerfect capability, how obsolete will this be in the next 10 years ? I mean, is it dependent of software updates, will support be discontinued when next gen devices will be launched etc ? Suppose I am going to use it only as a room correction processor, though it does not make sense financially.

I do use YPAO from Yamaha so if anyone tested both in the same space I would appreciate the opinion.

 

[Steve356]

Please help.
I have a very good opportunity for TDAI 1120, so I am asking this: As I am primarily interested in the RoomPerfect capability, how obsolete will this be in the next 10 years ? I mean, is it dependent of software updates, will support be discontinued when next gen devices will be launched etc ? Suppose I am going to use it only as a room correction processor, though it does not make sense financially.

I do use YPAO from Yamaha so if anyone tested both in the same space I would appreciate the opinion.

The only people that can answer this would be Lyngdorf, the manufacturer.

However, I've been using RP for nearly 5 years now and I can't recall a single update of the RP software. Of course, it may have been updated along with other things that Lyngdorf have added for free during that time, but I would have thought any update to RP would have been obvious as a new calibration would have been required and that has not been the case in my experience.

 

[ronorn]

Is there a difference between Lyngdorf RoomPerfect EQ ver McIntosh MEN220 Room Correction System ?
All my Audio kit ia McIntosh.
How can I decide what to buy ?
Thanks.

McIntosh MEN220 Room Correction System

The MEN220 delivers a potent suite of Room Correction, Custom-EQ and 2-Way Crossover capabilities in one easy-to-use stereo component. While any single feature of the MEN220 has the power to optimize the sonic characteristics of the highest quality audio systems, combining all the features can...

www.mcintoshlabs.com

 

[JustJones]

Is there a difference between Lyngdorf RoomPerfect EQ ver McIntosh MEN220 Room Correction System ?
All my Audio kit ia McIntosh.
How can I decide what to buy ?
Thanks.

McIntosh MEN220 Room Correction System

The MEN220 delivers a potent suite of Room Correction, Custom-EQ and 2-Way Crossover capabilities in one easy-to-use stereo component. While any single feature of the MEN220 has the power to optimize the sonic characteristics of the highest quality audio systems, combining all the features can...

www.mcintoshlabs.com

McIntosh is using Lyngdorf RoomPerfect algorithm. Don't know if that's what you're asking. There might be other things McIntosh is doing along with it so there could be differences between the MEN220 and any Lyngdorf product.

 

[Toni Mas]

Does the measurement show two speakers playing unisono, it looks like that? If yes, the spl response shown is pretty typical (mic not in ablsolute center). It the Lyngdorf software does that only, I wouldn't give it a chance...

I have found it more "productive" to measure each driver separately. Optimal response curve is different then, because of no comb filtering (from two speakers). It is very informative to do several measurement by changing mic location. It would be informative to do several measurements by moving the speaker too. This way the user starts to learn what each wiggle in the response stands for, and could do specific adjustments to positioning and response eq. Some changes are easily smoothed by moving the speaker, others by moving the mic. Some changes are better left alone untouched.

We must remember that we perceive sound differently from a single microphone and FFT analysis. EQ softwares give different results because they use different masurements and weigh parameters differently.

Though comb filtering is an issue, i think It is better to measure at unísono, because It will give a more realistic approach of the response in the modal region (bass), using a kind of multi sub approach. Using a smoothest correction above to avoid correcting combing artifacts.
Btw if we have to eq problems in the response of the loudspeakers themselves, i dont think that a room correction system is the right tool, nor the measurements realized for room correction are the right ones.

 

[famasfilms]

I have an 1120 and a Denon 6500 avr. The 1120 drives my front l/r in a 7.1.4 Atmos setup. My arendal sub is connected to the 1120


Audyssey is set to front l/r bypass and roomperfect is active.

With all the talk of the audyssey one script making a big difference I'm wondering if it's worth connecting my sub to the Denon and running the script to get an 'optimal' audyssey calibration for all speakers, or if roomperfect is superior

The advantage of using the script will be an optimized calibration and levels instead of my 'amateur' attempt to run audyssey alongside RP and manually level match etc

 

[RWH]

In 2017, I started reading up on acoustics in rooms. Room treatment appealed to me. Not so much to my wife. Got really exited reading about MiniDSP and Dirac around 2018. Then I read more. And more. And realized it was not so easy to get things set up.

Stumbled upon Lyngdorf.

In 2019, I drove 600 km from The Netherlands to Germany to audition a second hand TDAI2200 on a set of Tannoys. Fell of my chair when switching to focus. Bought the amp for peanuts (1,100 euro, lowest on HifiShark then). Took it home, set it up with my Apogee Duetta Signatures and my Simaudio 180 (no DAC needed!) in 15 minutes and never looked back.

When I change my setup (moving house) 15 minutes gets me back in business.

I had enjoyed Duetta IIs on my Sumo Class A gear, but Roomperfect and the endless power of the TDAI2200 is something else. I still see TDAI 2200s going for peanuts (Today 1,100 euro in Denmark on HifiShark). It is beyond me why you would ever sell one. Grab one when you can. Highly recommended.

I did not measure anything, but switching from focus, to global, to bypass tells the story.

I always end up at focus.

From the Cassandra Complex to Strawinski.

PS

Make sure you get the amp with the Roomperfect module (The TDA2200 does not have the Roomperfect module), the remote, the microphone and the adapter.

A cable and a stand for the microphone are cheap.

 

[Overseas]

What do you mean by 'peanuts'? How much?

 

[Snarfie]

In 2017, I started reading up on acoustics in rooms. Room treatment appealed to me. Not so much to my wife. Got really exited reading about MiniDSP and Dirac around 2018. Then I read more. And more. And realized it was not so easy to get things set up.

Stumbled upon Lyngdorf.

In 2019, I drove 600 km from The Netherlands to Germany to audition a second hand TDAI2200 on a set of Tannoys. Fell of my chair when switching to focus. Bought the amp for peanuts. Took it home, set it up with my Apogee Duetta Signatures and my Simaudio 180 (no DAC needed!) in 15 minutes and never looked back.

When I change my setup (moving house) 15 minutes gets me back in business.

I had enjoyed Duetta IIs on my Sumo Class A gear, but Roomperfect and the endless power of the TDAI2200 is something else. I still see TDAI 2200s going for peanuts. It is beyond me why you would ever sell one. Grab one when you can. Highly recommended.

I did not measure anything, but switching from focus, to global, to bypass tells the story.

I always end up at focus.

From the Cassandra Complex to Strawinski.

What do you mean by 'peanuts'? How much?

Around 2700,- an 2200,- euro used here in holland is not so peanuts i guess. Mathaudio room EQ is truly 0 euro ( combined with Foobar2000) connected to my laptop an NAD C370 it's a bit perfect bargain. Don't know if you get free updates from Lyngdorf. Aswell Lyngdorf Mathaudio Dirac etc are game changers IMO.

Lyngdorf kopen bij Novus Audio

Lyngdorf definieert wat er mogelijk is met digitale audio en room correction. Kom luisteren of maak een afspraak bij u thuis.

www.novusaudio.nl

 

[Overseas]

I understand the TDAI 1120 will do the same regarding Roomperfect processing. Looking to get one strictly for room correction but still use my beloved Yamaha AS 1100 as power.

 

[Norcal]

I understand the TDAI 1120 will do the same regarding Roomperfect processing. Looking to get one strictly for room correction but still use my beloved Yamaha AS 1100 as power.

wouldn't you be unable to use sub(s) if you use an external amp with theTDAI 1120? That may not be an issue for you, but may be for others...

 

[kma100]

It's either sub or external amp unfortunately.

 

[KxDx]

Bought a TDAI 2170 last week and set it up yesterday. It's replacing my MiniDSP, DAC, and amp. I thought Dirac was good, but holy cow RP gave me eargasms unlike anything I've ever heard!

No subs, just the big T+A speakers. I'll have to redo calibration in the future as my wife has a big shelf in the room until she gets another space cleared for it. I also have about 4 more inches I can push my speakers back to the wall. 5 inches if I ditch the banana plugs and straight wire. But it only took 9 measurements to get Room Knowledge to 100%. I followed instructions and removed all my bass traps before starting, and only kept the panels at 1st reflection. I was immediately blown away by the stage and clarity. I'm never going back.

So far I'm bouncing between "Action 1" and "Soft" voicing as my preferences. The best way I can describe the sound is having the stage and detail of headphones, but from speakers. I even got my wife to sit in my chair for a few songs. She's not into audio but knows I love my toys. Even she was blown away at the clarity and separation of voices, instruments, everything.

 

[Snarfie]

Bought a TDAI 2170 last week and set it up yesterday. It's replacing my MiniDSP, DAC, and amp. I thought Dirac was good, but holy cow RP gave me eargasms unlike anything I've ever heard!

No subs, just the big T+A speakers. I'll have to redo calibration in the future as my wife has a big shelf in the room until she gets another space cleared for it. I also have about 4 more inches I can push my speakers back to the wall. 5 inches if I ditch the banana plugs and straight wire. But it only took 9 measurements to get Room Knowledge to 100%. I followed instructions and removed all my bass traps before starting, and only kept the panels at 1st reflection. I was immediately blown away by the stage and clarity. I'm never going back.

So far I'm bouncing between "Action 1" and "Soft" voicing as my preferences. The best way I can describe the sound is having the stage and detail of headphones, but from speakers. I even got my wife to sit in my chair for a few songs. She's not into audio but knows I love my toys. Even she was blown away at the clarity and separation of voices, instruments, everything.

Welcome in correction mode what no gear can do than DSP

 

[Tassin]

Bought a TDAI 2170 last week ... I'm never going back.

That's how a friend, who owns the 2170, got me into buying Lyngdorf: "Buy Lyngdorf, run RoomPerfect and you'll never look back.".
That was 5 years ago. Still haven't looked back, not even for a millisecond.

 

[Paffi]

Yes, my experiments some years ago also came to the conclusion, that roomperfect is (for me) one of the best roomcorrection systems (way before Dirac, which I absolutely don´t like). It´s just a pitty, that the never came up with an stereo preamp like the old DPA-2.