Henry53, I see that you are relatively new to Audio Science Review. The reason this site exists is to discuss the objective (i.e. measurable) differences in audio equipment. So, almost by definition, any sonic differences that are claimed that are not measurable are “crazy”, or at least misinformed.
The science of audiology has three key components, the source, the pathway and the receiver. Measurements of the source are easy , and Amir does a great job, the environment is much more difficult to measure and the receiver will always be largely a matter of observation rather than numerical analysis. What emanates from the source is consistent and can be measured, what is "heard" by the receiver, their preferences and opinions is a different matter. Some like their steak rare others detest it, yet the steak may be cooked perfectly, some people just don't like the steak tasting like that, others don't like their music sounding like that. Remember all recorded music is fake, just pick which fake you like best.
Seriously I have a friend who buys his wine based on alcohol content, the higher the better, I see the same in some "audiophiles", now taste that's a much more difficult thing to assess! Figures are good but they are not the whole picture. Must say however I am glad to see the conclusions re PS Audio, always sounded like c--p to me.
Gee so a burnt steak tastes the same as raw steak?The difference being that beyond a certain level of measured transparency, all steaks taste the same
You might prefer eating at certain restaurant for the ambience or service but you’ll be getting identical steaks
I understand @Sir Sanders Zingmore is explaining that if the steaks are (measurable) all cooked to exactly the same degree they will be identical.
A DAC that measures transparant (any differences are not in the audible range) they will all sound the same.
Of course then you have a subjective preferences (the ambiance, location, company if we keep with the restaurant analogy), but that’s not really what ASR is about
Not to say a subjective preference can’t be important. A specific brand, feature or design could make you more inclined to like product A more than B, but still... if any difference in sound output is way outside of what is possible for a human to hear they can be objectively seen as equal regarding how they sound.
So all dads that measure the same sound theI understand @Sir Sanders Zingmore is explaining that if the steaks are (measurable) all cooked to exactly the same degree they will be identical.
A DAC that measures transparant (any differences are not in the audible range) they will all sound the same.
Of course then you have a subjective preferences (the ambiance, location, company if we keep with the restaurant analogy), but that’s not really what ASR is about
Not to say a subjective preference can’t be important. A specific brand, feature or design could make you more inclined to like product A more than B, but still... if any difference in sound output is way outside of what is possible for a human to hear they can be objectively seen as equal regarding how they sound.
All sounds produce harmonics both above and below their actual frequency, they are believed to be inaudible due to the usually greater the greater 12dB difference in level, however I can clearly hear sounds with a good dac that have a tremendous range of level, I am sure other people can too. If not expensive hifi would be pointless!
I am surprised.
Goldmund Epilog are the most resolving, probably but also Yamaha NS1000 and ProAc EBS (which have ATC mid dome and bass drivers, in fact like an ATC SCM50 in a BBC style cabinet.).
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