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Review and Measurements of Benchmark DAC3

Hello, all. I'm receiving a DAC3 b today as the first component in what will eventually be an all Benchmark system. In the meantime I'm wondering if it will work to use the DAC3's unbalanced outs with my Denon PMA-1700NE integrated amplifier. According to Amir's tests here, the DAC3 outputs 3.1 volts unbalanced, while the Denon's input sensitivity is rated at .83 volts. Does this mean they're incompatible?

Thanks in advance for the help. I'm new to the world of specs and measurements but eager to learn.
Thank you for purchasing a DAC3 B.

The DAC3 B does not have a volume control and the unbalanced RCA output is calibrated to exactly 2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS.

Units such as the DAC3 HGC and DAC3 L have volume controls that allow you to set the output at higher or lower levels. On the DAC3 HGC and DAC3 L, if you engage the HT bypass (Home Theater bypass), the RCA output is also calibrated to exactly 2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS. These units with a volume control can be tuned up by 3.5 dB. 3.5 dB is a ratio of about 1.50:1. This means that the maximum output is 1.50*2.0 = 3.0 Vrms (with the volume control turned all the way up). This is what was seen in Amir's testing.

If the volume control on your Denon was turned all the way up, it would take .83 volts to reach the clip point of the amplifier. You will need to turn the Denon volume control down by at least 7.6 dB to avoid clipping when driving it with 2 Vrms, but this will not be a problem.

2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS is an industry standard for RCA outputs on CD players. You will need to use the same volume settings that you would use for any standard CD player.
 
Thank you for purchasing a DAC3 B.

The DAC3 B does not have a volume control and the unbalanced RCA output is calibrated to exactly 2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS.

Units such as the DAC3 HGC and DAC3 L have volume controls that allow you to set the output at higher or lower levels. On the DAC3 HGC and DAC3 L, if you engage the HT bypass (Home Theater bypass), the RCA output is also calibrated to exactly 2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS. These units with a volume control can be tuned up by 3.5 dB. 3.5 dB is a ratio of about 1.50:1. This means that the maximum output is 1.50*2.0 = 3.0 Vrms (with the volume control turned all the way up). This is what was seen in Amir's testing.

If the volume control on your Denon was turned all the way up, it would take .83 volts to reach the clip point of the amplifier. You will need to turn the Denon volume control down by at least 7.6 dB to avoid clipping when driving it with 2 Vrms, but this will not be a problem.

2.0 Vrms at 0 dBFS is an industry standard for RCA outputs on CD players. You will need to use the same volume settings that you would use for any standard CD player.
Thanks, John. I installed the DAC on Saturday and it's been working flawlessly.
 
Question:

Does anyone who own this notice any difference at all in the sound between low and high latency USB streaming buffers (which I assume is ms of audio per packet), that can be set in the Thesycon control panel on Windows only?
 
I have a question, related to Benchmark LA4 pre amp and Benchmark DAC3 B being used together.

I have a Benchmark LA4 pre amplifier and I also recently purchased a Benchmark DAC3 B to replace the lovely SMSL SU-9n DAC (which will now become DAC+pre-amp in our basement audio setup, he he).

The XLR outputs from Benchmark DAC3 B are fixed, to put out around 12V RMS (have unit with factory settings here, set to 0db attenuation, see attached pic) so it should be perfect match to LA4 XLR inputs ... on the other hand, the SMSL su-9n has max about 4.5V RMS on its XLR outputs.

Benchmark LA4 XLR outputs are feeding the pair of Buckeye PURIFI 1ET9040BA Mono-blocks (set to LOW GAIN, i.e. ~15db its own voltage gain)

When I used SMSL DAC, with its XLR output feeding LA4's XLR input, I had to usually set up LA4 volume ctrl knob up to around, let's say, -60db level, to achieve my usual listening levels ... not too loud, not too quiet, just about right for me ;-)

Now, when I replaced SMSL with DAC3 B, I expected that the same listening loudness level I would be able to achieve with noticeably lower volume knob setting (let's say around -80db), since DAC3 B puts out effectively on its XLR output 2.5 times higher output voltage, compared to SMSL's XLR output voltage.

Surprisingly, no change in how Benchmark LA4 volume knob ctrl behaves after upstream DAC switch
... why? I still basically set LA4's volume control knob up to around -60db to achieve basically the same perceived loudness level. What's going on? Sound quality is not affected, of course and that's great, but I am genuinely puzzled by this now, as I have expected that I would see a noticeable change in how LA4 volume knob behaves after switching from SMSL to DAC3 B :-)

BTW I am using Tosslink optical as an input into Benchmark DAC3 B (I used the same with SMSL DAC). Hope someone (ideally @John_Siau himself) can explain what's possibly happening. To me it's somewhat simple logic - with 2.5x higher XLR voltage output of Benchmark DAC3 B, compared to SMSL SU-9n, going into Benchmark LA4's XLR input, I would expect that for the same gain position of LA4's volume knob I should hear louder music reproduction with DAC3 B, than when using SMSL SU-9n connected to LA4 XLR input
 

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Ok mystery solved

I did have 10db boost setup on XLR input to LA4, while I used SMSL DAC, forgot about that ... just had a chat with Rory from Benchmark and he asked ... it clicked right then !

So with the boost of 10db when I was using SMSL, LA4 XLR input would be 'seeing' 25.5db signal (SMSL 15.5db + 10db boost) vs. now with DAC3 B (with no boost) the LA4 XLR input 'seeing' signal of 24db

Then it fully make sense what I am experiencing !
 
This is a review and detailed measurements of Benchmark DAC3 and headphone amplifier. The unit is on kind loan from member Dallasjustice and is highly anticipated evaluation by myself and I am sure many of you. As of this writing the DAC3 retails for USD $2195 from Benchmark site. Others discount it to $2,000 plus shipping. So not cheap by budget standards. But a huge bargain compared to high-end DAC which start at $10K and go up.

For way of comparison, I am also measuring the RME ADI-2 Pro using my Audio Precision APx555 analyzer. As you see below, the two units are pretty much the same width and height.

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Depth-wise though, the Benchmark is almost twice as deep. Still, both comfortably fit on the desk.

From user interface point of view, the DAC3 has clear LEDs which i like but it still doesn't hold a candle to RME's nice displays with full spectrum view and such as you see in the picture. This is very helpful in measurement because it is a nice confirmation of what is being sent to it.

All the settings in RME ADI-2 Pro (and by association in RME ADI-2 DAC) are "soft" in that you can change them in menus. The Benchmark has far fewer settings and what it has requires opening the case and moving jumpers. While that is a more purist implementation, clearly not as user friendly. What is NOT user friendly is the interface in RME. In both ADC+DAC combo that I am testing here and its DAC-only version, they are maddening to navigate. If you tolerate it, you have many cool options including parametric (?) equalization.

I tested the RME ADI-2 Pro using its ASIO drivers. For benchmark I used ASIO4ALL after it plugged and played in Windows as a normal sound card.

The volume control on DAC3 changes the output balanced connections (in addition to headphones I assume). On the RME by default, it only changes the headphone output. I am sure there is a way to change that in the menus but I am not brave enough to figure it out. :)

The DAC3 volume acted interesting in that small changes would make no difference and then all of a sudden the value would change. Not sure what explains this. Analog pot driving a digital attenuation? It has a max and min so it is not a rotary encoder.

Testing these two devices is quite daunting given no less than three outputs: unbalanced, balanced and headphone. For this review, based on interest of its owner, I am only focusing on balanced output performance. I aim to at least cover the headphone performance before having to return the unit in the next day or two.

EDIT: A second loaned unit from Benchmark performed even better. Please see: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...easurements-of-benchmark-dac3.3545/post-91447

Measurements


Please note that all measurements are made with USB input of the DACs. Two posts down there is a comparison of Toslink to USB.

I always like to match levels of DACs where possible to make a fair comparison. Alas, even though Benchmark documents that the unit by default outputs 24 dBu (12 volts RMS), it puts out copious more output than that. I had to use a "pad jumper" inside the unit to dial in -10 dB of attenuation to match that of RME ADI-2 which indeed maxes out at 24 dBu. In this dashboard view of DAC3, I have one channel with default output and the other with -10 dB:

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As you see, the non-attenuated channel outputs nearly 20 volts RMS, corresponding to whopping +-28 volts or peak to peek! :eek: With that kind of output swing if you are bored, you can hook up the DAC3 to drive your Christmas tree lights! :D

Dallasjustice uses the much higher output to good results in room equalization. The most effective way to deal with troughs in room response is to simply bring down the levels of all the other frequencies. This gives you a flat response but now you have much less gain to drive your speakers. Having so much headroom and output capacity in the DAC3 helps mitigate this.

For the rest of these tests, I ran with the attenuation at -10 dB to match the RME as mentioned. Note that performance without this attenuation is different (sometimes better, sometimes worse). Such is life when we try to make apples vs apples comparison.

Let's see how the two do in jitter and noise department:
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Starting with RME ADI-2 Pro, we see the same problem with random low frequency noise around our main tone at 12 kHz, resulting in that "skirt" around it. RME has since upgraded the clock both the Pro and DAC version so that problem is no longer there. I confirmed that in the DAC review but not in the Pro as I don't have that version as you see in that review:

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So that part is a "non-problem." The RME has slightly higher noise floor still. But the DAC3 has those two odd peaks. They are not symmetrical in level so likely not jitter. They are proportional to the position of the volume knob so the problem is prior to that stage. This is unexpected in this class product and from a company like Benchmark.

The news becomes quite positive for Benchmark DAC3 as we proceed with other tests such as intermodulation (SMPTE) relative to level:
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The DAC3 has a clear advantage of about 6 dB lower distortion+noise. It starts to clip sooner than RME but still at vanishingly small level of -110 dB.

THD+N measurements relative to frequency show similar advantage for DAC3:
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Looking at the spectrum of that at 1 kHz, we get this:
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Applying perceptual modeling to this is hard visually. They both have the same second harmonic distortion but from there on, one gets ahead and then the other. Over time I hope to create a mathematical model for this to generate better figure than THD+N which summs the power of all of those.

Slightly higher noise level is apparent here as with our jitter and noise analysis.

Switching to our favorite test, Linearity, we get this:
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The DAC3 produces output essentially the same as the analyzer itself. I have put in the "19 bit" marker for historical reason (0.1 dB of variation) but really, this is as good as we can measure. The RME ADI-2 Pro lags a bit here but we know that the DAC version is superior, producing similar output to DAC3. Again from my previous review:

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As a side-note, see how the measurements of the RME ADI-2 is very similar using my old analyzer (AP 2522) versus new (APx555). On APx555 I have increased the resolution some so that we can see finer variations but if I use the coarser ones used in the 2522 the results match very closely. So some progress in finalizing my APx555 settings to make them comparable to the older analyzer both as a sanity check and ease of comparison. Similar progress was made in IMD measurements I post above.

I think I will stop here as to not overwhelm you with too much data. As mentioned, there will be more to come.

For now, if you have any questions and concerns please raise them quickly as I will be returning DAC3 soon.

EDIT: headphone power and output impedance measures in this post and the one after it: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...easurements-of-benchmark-dac3.3545/post-86011

Conclusions
The Benchmark DAC3 as expected is a state-of-the-art digital to analog converter. Other than one set of noise spikes in jitter test, the rest of the measurements show exceptional performance. No glaring faults are seen at all. Its higher output level can be useful in room EQ applications to boot.

So of course the DAC3 goes on my recommended list.

Considering the price though, the RME ADI-2 DAC retails at less than half the DAC3 price. While the DAC3 probably beats it a bit in objective measurements, I can't really justify the additional cost of it over that unit. So if money is no object and you have no use for the additional features of ADI-2 DAC, by all means get the DAC3. Otherwise, the RME ADI-2 DAC remains my pick for "expensive" DACs.

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I have the opportunity to buy either the Benchmark or RME ADI-2 FS R for about 1/2 of their retail price. My idea is to replace my current preamp with one of them. Both have line input for my phono and will connect to CD player, as well as USB. Both the Benchmark and RME are really overkill for my ancient Hafler and Polk RTA-12s, but both have the functionality I want in one box. The internal functionality of the RME seems better with the built in EQ. Is there a better choice? And, when I contacted RME the regarding availability of a new unit, the response I got was that there were new units coming out without confirmation that it would be an ADI-3. I understand this is probably a "you can't go wrong with either choice" question, but because these are both sophisticated devices beyond my ken, I humbly ask.
 
I have the opportunity to buy either the Benchmark or RME ADI-2 FS R for about 1/2 of their retail price. My idea is to replace my current preamp with one of them. Both have line input for my phono and will connect to CD player, as well as USB. Both the Benchmark and RME are really overkill for my ancient Hafler and Polk RTA-12s, but both have the functionality I want in one box. The internal functionality of the RME seems better with the built in EQ. Is there a better choice? And, when I contacted RME the regarding availability of a new unit, the response I got was that there were new units coming out without confirmation that it would be an ADI-3. I understand this is probably a "you can't go wrong with either choice" question, but because these are both sophisticated devices beyond my ken, I humbly ask.
Save your money for better speakers :) That is were you'll be happy in the long run. I'm sure that's what you don't wanna here, but I had to make the recommendation. If you're gonna choose between the two units, the RME would be my choice for the additional features.
 
I have the opportunity to buy either the Benchmark or RME ADI-2 FS R for about 1/2 of their retail price. My idea is to replace my current preamp with one of them. Both have line input for my phono and will connect to CD player, as well as USB. Both the Benchmark and RME are really overkill for my ancient Hafler and Polk RTA-12s, but both have the functionality I want in one box. The internal functionality of the RME seems better with the built in EQ. Is there a better choice? And, when I contacted RME the regarding availability of a new unit, the response I got was that there were new units coming out without confirmation that it would be an ADI-3. I understand this is probably a "you can't go wrong with either choice" question, but because these are both sophisticated devices beyond my ken, I humbly ask.
Honestly there is no need for either one considering the price. I agree with @Everett T in that you should upgrade your speakers. The Topping DX5 III would be a better choice as it has all the features and is like $300. Both of the other devices are good, but they are outclassed today.
 
Honestly there is no need for either one considering the price. I agree with @Everett T in that you should upgrade your speakers. The Topping DX5 III would be a better choice as it has all the features and is like $300. Both of the other devices are good, but they are outclassed today.
Understand and no hate for the speaker replacement recommendations--though the Polks still sound fine to me. This is not an attempt to be an "audiophile," just upgrade to include a quality DAC in the stream and minimize the number of boxes, while including analogue input for phono (I know...) and CD player (I also know...). I have a DX5 I on the desk, I and it's great. But the DX5 II (I don't see at DX5 III?), which looks like an RME clone, does not have analogue inputs. I've only found the RME and Benchmark for a one-box solution. I'll upgrade the speakers when we move houses next year and I can see what kind of space is available for noise making.
 
Understand and no hate for the speaker replacement recommendations--though the Polks still sound fine to me. This is not an attempt to be an "audiophile," just upgrade to include a quality DAC in the stream and minimize the number of boxes, while including analogue input for phono (I know...) and CD player (I also know...). I have a DX5 I on the desk, I and it's great. But the DX5 II (I don't see at DX5 III?), which looks like an RME clone, does not have analogue inputs. I've only found the RME and Benchmark for a one-box solution. I'll upgrade the speakers when we move houses next year and I can see what kind of space is available for noise making.
You seem to be missing the point on the speaker recommendations. They're trying to tell you that you won't hear the difference between the analog input from your cd player and the dacs you've selected because your speaker is not resolving enough. In other words, if someone switched the components blind to you, you wouldn't hear the difference.
I would say you wouldn't hear the difference with a the built in dac in your cd player let alone a $300 or even a $10000 dac.
 
Understand and no hate for the speaker replacement recommendations--though the Polks still sound fine to me. This is not an attempt to be an "audiophile," just upgrade to include a quality DAC in the stream and minimize the number of boxes, while including analogue input for phono (I know...) and CD player (I also know...). I have a DX5 I on the desk, I and it's great. But the DX5 II (I don't see at DX5 III?), which looks like an RME clone, does not have analogue inputs. I've only found the RME and Benchmark for a one-box solution. I'll upgrade the speakers when we move houses next year and I can see what kind of space is available for noise making.
Do either of those DAC's actually play out of the Analog inputs? I was under the impression that those were ADC's for recording and not for playback?
 
You seem to be missing the point on the speaker recommendations. They're trying to tell you that you won't hear the difference between the analog input from your cd player and the dacs you've selected because your speaker is not resolving enough. In other words, if someone switched the components blind to you, you wouldn't hear the difference.
I would say you wouldn't hear the difference with a the built in dac in your cd player let alone a $300 or even a $10000 dac.
Not missing anything. I'm not looking for audiophile sound. I'm looking for convenience that allows me to play sounds stored on primitive 20th century media and add the capacity of a DAC to the current system without stacking up a bunch of boxes. I want the simplest form of accessing whichever of the various forms of musical reproduction I'm using from 78s to flac files.
 
Not missing anything. I'm not looking for audiophile sound.
Either is transparent, the RME has PEQ which is beneficial. You can also get the same benefits from other transparent dacs. You still need a phono preamp, correct? WiiM has some products that you may like, with inputs and output that cover everything you're looking for. Also, Audiophile is a BS misnomer as we all want transparency.

Edit: Also I think this thread has been highjacked enough,.start a new one if the discussion needs to go forward:)
 
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Understand and no hate for the speaker replacement recommendations--though the Polks still sound fine to me. This is not an attempt to be an "audiophile," just upgrade to include a quality DAC in the stream and minimize the number of boxes, while including analogue input for phono (I know...) and CD player (I also know...). I have a DX5 I on the desk, I and it's great. But the DX5 II (I don't see at DX5 III?), which looks like an RME clone, does not have analogue inputs. I've only found the RME and Benchmark for a one-box solution. I'll upgrade the speakers when we move houses next year and I can see what kind of space is available for noise making.

I have both. Both are great as you say. If I had to keep just one it would probably be the RME due to the extra flexibility it offers via it’s additional features. A number of times I’ve wanted to do something specific and there’s already been a setting in the RME that does what I need.

As you say, you can’t go wrong either way.
 
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