I bought a pair of the m16's just as they were clearing out remaining inventory at their dealers at a good price.
My desire was to use them in our outside patio room. Good price for good speaker ... what could go wrong.
Due to structural and WAF limitations i was forced to suspend them against the side wall, just below the ceiling (at about a 12 ft height).
I bought a solid mount that would handle the weight and work with my side wall. The mount requires you to attach a plate to the speaker so i drilled 4 holes into each speaker (glossy black mdf).
I mounted the speaker and was severely disappointed as it was boomy and absent of high end. I expected the boomy as it was near the wall so i plugged the port, added a sub and crossed over to the the m16's handle 80hz and up.
Result was just as disappointing no highend. I pulled a speaker down, plugged in a rear speaker from my video room (only other passive speaker i had) and found the high was fine. This told me it was the Revels. So I ran REW (for the Revels and my PSB imagine rear) and quickly discovered this
The revels start to fade around 1k hz. So i reached out to the dealer who has since contacted revel with no response.
The first thing (and only thing) that came to mind beyond a defective speaker (not one but two? --- probably not) is my holes that i drilled. They were placed inbetween the port and posts. Looking at an internal pic there is nothing there as the xover sits on the bottom and the speakers are on the other side.
I needed a way to look inside but could not find a way to remove the woofer (or tweeter) so i removed the binding post which revealed ... nothing. The wires to both speakers from the cross over are held away from the rear speaker by insulation so i dont believe they were severed. I did feel (not see) that on both speakers one of my holes (out of 4) actually pierced the rear of the speaker creating an open hole to the back. The other 3 were not deep enough and did not pierce the rear mdf wall.
So, i am thinking (while revel picks their nose and my dealer does nothing as it is deferring to revel) they wont take them back because i drilled the holes and i caused the problem (which may be true). So i am likely stuck with a non functioning speaker due to my potential error. Viewing through the binding post access, and my limited visibility, the worst case it is only a disconnected or cut wire as i did not go anywhere near the individual drivers nor the xover. So i was thinking if i could pull the woofer and see what the problem was i could potentiall fix it if it or at least better understand the problem.
I am going to assume revel wont warrant them because of my drilling as they will say i breached the terms of the warranty so i have nothing to risk looking. If i can get at the internals via removing a driver. Sorry for the lengthy back story but bottom line is does anyone know if i am SoL or is there a way to remove individual drivers (there are no visible screws) for me to get a peek at what i may be up against.
As for my outdoor patio, I have already found a replacement and got them mounted and working but I want to keep the revels and will use them as f+r in my HT if i can get them back to functioning correctly
Any help here would be appreciated.
My desire was to use them in our outside patio room. Good price for good speaker ... what could go wrong.
Due to structural and WAF limitations i was forced to suspend them against the side wall, just below the ceiling (at about a 12 ft height).
I bought a solid mount that would handle the weight and work with my side wall. The mount requires you to attach a plate to the speaker so i drilled 4 holes into each speaker (glossy black mdf).
I mounted the speaker and was severely disappointed as it was boomy and absent of high end. I expected the boomy as it was near the wall so i plugged the port, added a sub and crossed over to the the m16's handle 80hz and up.
Result was just as disappointing no highend. I pulled a speaker down, plugged in a rear speaker from my video room (only other passive speaker i had) and found the high was fine. This told me it was the Revels. So I ran REW (for the Revels and my PSB imagine rear) and quickly discovered this
The revels start to fade around 1k hz. So i reached out to the dealer who has since contacted revel with no response.
The first thing (and only thing) that came to mind beyond a defective speaker (not one but two? --- probably not) is my holes that i drilled. They were placed inbetween the port and posts. Looking at an internal pic there is nothing there as the xover sits on the bottom and the speakers are on the other side.
I needed a way to look inside but could not find a way to remove the woofer (or tweeter) so i removed the binding post which revealed ... nothing. The wires to both speakers from the cross over are held away from the rear speaker by insulation so i dont believe they were severed. I did feel (not see) that on both speakers one of my holes (out of 4) actually pierced the rear of the speaker creating an open hole to the back. The other 3 were not deep enough and did not pierce the rear mdf wall.
So, i am thinking (while revel picks their nose and my dealer does nothing as it is deferring to revel) they wont take them back because i drilled the holes and i caused the problem (which may be true). So i am likely stuck with a non functioning speaker due to my potential error. Viewing through the binding post access, and my limited visibility, the worst case it is only a disconnected or cut wire as i did not go anywhere near the individual drivers nor the xover. So i was thinking if i could pull the woofer and see what the problem was i could potentiall fix it if it or at least better understand the problem.
I am going to assume revel wont warrant them because of my drilling as they will say i breached the terms of the warranty so i have nothing to risk looking. If i can get at the internals via removing a driver. Sorry for the lengthy back story but bottom line is does anyone know if i am SoL or is there a way to remove individual drivers (there are no visible screws) for me to get a peek at what i may be up against.
As for my outdoor patio, I have already found a replacement and got them mounted and working but I want to keep the revels and will use them as f+r in my HT if i can get them back to functioning correctly
Any help here would be appreciated.