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Revel M106 to Revel M126 Be, just made the switch

Bren Derlin

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Have you tried the c205 with the m106s?

Nope. That was never the plan. Those two M106 speakers are the entire front line of that HT set-up. I have no dedicated center for that space.
I'm 100% positive the C205 would work with the M106. But I much prefer the sound of a large stereophonic phantom center over a dedicated center channel. To me, it sounds fantastically more cinematic, as the sound completely envelopes the 77" OLED. ...actually the entire front wall, really.

If you have an ideal set-up for a phantom center (14' wide or more front wall), with plenty of space to pull your speakers out from the front wall and corners, and get them positioned perfectly in the room, and center your display within those speakers, I'd give it try for a while. I can literally walk up and down stairs to compare a "center vs. a phantom center", and I know which I prefer - and it's a significant difference. And for those suggesting it doesn't work for people sitting off to the side, we have 4 people sitting across are big sectional during movie night, and every time I'm buried in my "favorite corner", there is zero issue regarding the audio being centered on the screen. We don't sit along the side walls. If you have to sit well outside the boundaries of the speakers, then I'd recommend a center.

This my set up with the M106 speakers — we sit about 8' from the TV... Unless you're on the back-table, then about 12'. You can see a little M8 onwall speakers in the photo with the dartboard. That's one of our two surround speakers. The other is on the facing fall on the other side of the couch - they both face backwards about 15 degrees, to make them less directional. It's a fantastic fairly modest little rig. All powered by the Denon x2600H (Can of worms? LOL)...
 

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Nope. That was never the plan. Those two M106 speakers are the entire front line of that HT set-up. I have no dedicated center for that space.
I'm 100% positive the C205 would work with the M106. But I much prefer the sound of a large stereophonic phantom center over a dedicated center channel. To me, it sounds fantastically more cinematic, as the sound completely envelopes the 77" OLED. ...actually the entire front wall, really.

If you have an ideal set-up for a phantom center (14' wide or more front wall), with plenty of space to pull your speakers out from the front wall and corners, and get them positioned perfectly in the room, and center your display within those speakers, I'd give it try for a while. I can literally walk up and down stairs to compare a "center vs. a phantom center", and I know which I prefer - and it's a significant difference. And for those suggesting it doesn't work for people sitting off to the side, we have 4 people sitting across are big sectional during movie night, and every time I'm buried in my "favorite corner", there is zero issue regarding the audio being centered on the screen. We don't sit along the side walls. If you have to sit well outside the boundaries of the speakers, then I'd recommend a center.

This my set up with the M106 speakers — we sit about 8' from the TV... Unless you're on the back-table, then about 12'. You can see a little M8 onwall speakers in the photo with the dartboard. That's one of our two surround speakers. The other is on the facing fall on the other side of the couch - they both face backwards about 15 degrees, to make them less directional. It's a fantastic fairly modest little rig. All powered by the Denon x2600H (Can of worms? LOL)...
What a gorgeous setup, love the back bar too. I don't have anything so contained...I have a living room that is part of a great room, opening to a kitchen and open on the side to other rooms...I'm happy I'm using Audessey 32XT via my Denon X3700H to help address the room challenges. I also use two subs for a 5.2 setup. I haven't been happy with the C25 (boxy dull sounding) so I bought the C205...We will see. In the meantime, I'll give the phantom approach a try. I adore the M106s. For the phantom center, you just remove the center channel in setup, right?
 

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Yes. Go into the Denon speaker set-up menu, and remove the center channel.

Living rooms can be tricky with phantom center. That's a space were people can really sit off the sides, or the side wall on one side is significantly further away from a speaker than the other side. Nooks and cranny's with builtin cabinets/bookshelves. Our living room set up is really wonky.

This was our "living room/home theater for 17 years. It worked for us - though I knew it wasn't a perfect space for a "home theater". ...can't say we complained, as this is what we had. And really - it was certainly good enough.

....Then we finished the basement, and saved that one 14' wide by 12' deep corner for the home theater/music listening space. ...which also doubles as a Football Viewing party space with the dartboard and back table for gathering. We have two high-tables 6' feet long, 30 inches wide, we can move around in our space. We can push them together to make a big dining table for 10-12 people. Or set up one as table as a buffet, and another for seating. Or set up both as a buffet. I use these tables for wrapping gifts now. LOL

Best part about the basement space. It gets absolutely black at night when the lights are off. The OLED really makes a difference there. When the OLED TV's reach 100", and the prices aren't $10,000 - we'll hopefully upgrade. ...but that'll push the speakers further into the corners. Maybe...
 

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Yes. Go into the Denon speaker set-up menu, and remove the center channel.

Living rooms can be tricky with phantom center. That's a space were people can really sit off the sides, or the side wall on one side is significantly further away from a speaker than the other side. Nooks and cranny's with builtin cabinets/bookshelves. Our living room set up is really wonky.

This was our "living room/home theater for 17 years. It worked for us - though I knew it wasn't a perfect space for a "home theater". ...can't say we complained, as this is what we had. And really - it was certainly good enough.

....Then we finished the basement, and saved that one 14' wide by 12' deep corner for the home theater/music listening space. ...which also doubles as a Football Viewing party space with the dartboard and back table for gathering. We have two high-tables 6' feet long, 30 inches wide, we can move around in our space. We can push them together to make a big dining table for 10-12 people. Or set up one as table as a buffet, and another for seating. Or set up both as a buffet. I use these tables for wrapping gifts now. LOL

Best part about the basement space. It gets absolutely black at night when the lights are off. The OLED really makes a difference there. When the OLED TV's reach 100", and the prices aren't $10,000 - we'll hopefully upgrade. ...but that'll push the speakers further into the corners. Maybe...
Looks like a San Francisco condo south of market...
 

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Yes. Go into the Denon speaker set-up menu, and remove the center channel.

Living rooms can be tricky with phantom center. That's a space were people can really sit off the sides, or the side wall on one side is significantly further away from a speaker than the other side. Nooks and cranny's with builtin cabinets/bookshelves. Our living room set up is really wonky.

This was our "living room/home theater for 17 years. It worked for us - though I knew it wasn't a perfect space for a "home theater". ...can't say we complained, as this is what we had. And really - it was certainly good enough.

....Then we finished the basement, and saved that one 14' wide by 12' deep corner for the home theater/music listening space. ...which also doubles as a Football Viewing party space with the dartboard and back table for gathering. We have two high-tables 6' feet long, 30 inches wide, we can move around in our space. We can push them together to make a big dining table for 10-12 people. Or set up one as table as a buffet, and another for seating. Or set up both as a buffet. I use these tables for wrapping gifts now. LOL

Best part about the basement space. It gets absolutely black at night when the lights are off. The OLED really makes a difference there. When the OLED TV's reach 100", and the prices aren't $10,000 - we'll hopefully upgrade. ...but that'll push the speakers further into the corners. Maybe...
Try dual mono center it is even better.
 

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I have been using the Revel M106 for a year & really like it
The upgrade itch caught me & the M126 BE seemed the logical choice
I prefer bookself speakers with dsp'ed dual subs


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The M126 Be on paper was the upgraded M106, with the Beryllium tweeter & the ceramic wave guide etc
The upgrade thread( from 106 to 126 )on ASR, did not help my decision making
I finally pulled the trigger on it, ordered in black, arrived in silver
Liked the silver, so keeping it

The build quality is definitely a step up from the M 106
Component quality is better too
The white drivers, I prefer the black on the M106 but I can live with the white

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The tweeters and mid are definite step up for me, in terms of sound quality
Bass seems the same, crossed over at 80 hz
The sound stage seems wider

Calibrated with minidsp REW & dirac, I am happy with the result

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Thought I would share my experiences here, for fellow Revel fans.
Any fr measurements from listening position?
 
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