So about $5000 for the f226be is to be expected? I would love to get the be series but that is a bit steep for me!It’s a slippery slope. But if you wanted to upgrade to the F226Be, your net cash outlay is probably around $2k. So not terrible.
So about $5000 for the f226be is to be expected? I would love to get the be series but that is a bit steep for me!It’s a slippery slope. But if you wanted to upgrade to the F226Be, your net cash outlay is probably around $2k. So not terrible.
So about $5000 for the f226be is to be expected? I would love to get the be series but that is a bit steep for me!
It definitely isn’t cheap and Revel seems to have really priced these Be’s high considering the cabinet (which generally is a large part of the cost) is the same. They probably didn’t even have any tooling cost with the F226Be.So about $5000 for the f226be is to be expected? I would love to get the be series but that is a bit steep for me!
I was planning to use that on a subwoofer (only a half-joke joke)Ask your wife for her half of the stimulus check as an anniversary gift
That’s a good idea!!! I’ve been waiting fix my check but they aren’t sending it to me and they don’t give a reason.I was planning to use that on a subwoofer (only a half-joke joke)
Hi!Random question about the 208's - and apologies if this is a dumb question as I'm very new here. I'm looking at pairing the 208's with the Musical Fidelity m6si which I think is 220 wpc at 8 ohms. Would this amplifier have enough juice to power these speakers? I'm torn between getting these where I'd be in the middle of their recommended watt per channel recommendation ... or the 206's where I'd be on the high-end. I'm just concerned the 206's won't have enough "oomph" for that room.
I don't think they publish 4 ohm wpc for the Musical Fidelity m6si but on Crutchfield they say it's 400 wpc at 4 ohm. I'd be listening in a largish room (19 x 17) with a high ceiling but never listen at a very high volume - mainly jazz/classic rock/soul r&b/classical. I wouldn't be pairing these with any sub so they'd need to be adequate by themselves bass-wise.
Any help would be MUCH APPRECIATED as I don't know how to interpret these graphs and buy new stereo equipment about once every 10-15 years!
-Geoff
Hard to answer your question without some in-room measurements and knowing your references and expectations.Leads me to believe these towers just don’t put out a ton of bass! It’s ok. They make up for it in every other aspect. I have a giant hsu sub that fixes any bass issues.
Interesting. Can you give a few example of such speakers?A number of speakers have a modest to moderate LF boost to give them more bass sound. The boost is usually above the deep bass, say in the 100 Hz to 200 Hz octave, and when you obtain a speaker that is flatter through that region it sounds bass-shy.
Interesting. Can you give a few example of such speakers?
Like Revel M16 for instance?
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Hard to answer your question without some in-room measurements and knowing your references and expectations.
Amir's measurements do show them falling off very rapidly below 50 hz but still should supply more than enough bass for most types of music.
Have you done any measurements using different room positions and the boundary switch on the rear?
But a good subwoofer will make a great addition for deep bass music and HT use.
The F208 has an impedance dip around 100 Hz that may tax the amplifier.
Hi Don,
Does it mean that if I offload all bass say below 200 Hz to subwoofers (via AVR's internal crossover) the dynamic range that my amplifier can produce will likely increase?
Thanks!
Hi Don,Yes, but such a high crossover will make it easy to locate the sub and could mess up imaging in the mid-bass. Always trades...
Look at equal loudness curves for an idea how much louder bass needs to be to sound as loud as treble. recordings do not necessarily follow this, but chances are what you listen to is similar. Notice how much higher the curves are at 100 Hz and below compared to 1 kHz and consider that 10 dB increase in power requires 10 times the power from your amplifier. This is one reason adding a subwoofer can benefit the entire frequency range; greatly decreases the load on the main amplifier -- and speakers!
HTH - Don
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Hi Don,
I'm counting on the same thing with my Denon avr-x8500h and KEF R500 front speakers.
According to the soundstage measurements, distortion starts to shut up around 60Hz on KEFs.
If I use Audessey's 80Hz crossover point, and send the rest to the subwoofer, it will eliminate that distortion. It looks like R500 impedance still drops down to below 4 ohms around 150Hz so no help there.
The question: wouldn't bass start to rattle everything else in the room (and depending on the sub, increase distortion) if we were to hear the same loudness in bass and play music at 85db SPL at 1Khz? According to this chart, the bass would need to be in the 100db SPL plus range.
Don't ever do that. If your amps can't handle the 208 then you need to bypass mains with 2 channel. Crown xls works.Hi Don,
Does it mean that if I offload all bass say below 200 Hz to subwoofers (via AVR's internal crossover) the dynamic range that my amplifier can produce will likely increase?
Thanks!
It’s a good idea and is something that a lot of people do regardless of how bass capable their main speakers are. But the crossover range is probably around 60-80hz as an average.Hi Don,
Does it mean that if I offload all bass say below 200 Hz to subwoofers (via AVR's internal crossover) the dynamic range that my amplifier can produce will likely increase?
Thanks!
It’s a good idea and is something that a lot of people do regardless of how bass capable their main speakers are. But the crossover range is probably around 60-80hz as an average.
I used to go back and forth between 60-70hz with my F208 and then my F228Be until I settled on 70Hz.
The other thing that I like to recommend but everyone has different priorities is to get out of the receiver business and into separates especially if someone has speakers that are at the quality of Revel performa3, Be etc. All in due time at each own’s pace of course and depending on their goals.