The other big-gest constraint appears to be 'location, location, location'.... even more so than setting up a pair of L/Rs....centre speaker designs are constrained...
The other big-gest constraint appears to be 'location, location, location'.... even more so than setting up a pair of L/Rs....centre speaker designs are constrained...
The location is the simplest; under or over the centre of the screen.The other big-gest constraint appears to be 'location, location, location'.... even more so than setting up a pair of L/Rs.
Sub response does look really good…..thought I saw a scary graph in an earlier post showing poor extension and response but it seems that placement indeed works quite well for you. Nice!My placement actually works pretty well in my room. I tried several locations, and this produces good results and somehow passes the WAF test.
This is the front left measured with both subs running, crossed at 80Hz. Right and stereo measurements are similar.
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The Infinity is a better measuring speaker in some regards to be sure, but I am space limited and stuck with something near the C25's form factor.
I keep wanting to "upgrade" to the C205 to have a matching front set, but I imagine the improvement would be only cosmetic.
Revel C426BE... but it is a lot of “salt”. Taken from the very nice F226be/C426BE review at audioholics (link). This is what we should be the goal. But it takes size and cost to do very well. But the Revel C208 and Infinity RC263 do rather well too. But many don’t either have the space or funds to dedicate to large center speaker. More often we are seeing soundbars which would be interesting to see how they do.Is there such a thing as a brand/manufacturer of a "center" speaker that is worth its salt; without all of the compromises that seem to be getting in the way.
Or behind the screenThe location is the simplest; under or over the centre of the screen.
Happy to explain. For more than two years I have been saying the impulse measurements people ask for are useless. Yet people ask for it eventually saying, "how much work is it to just give us the plot?" Answer I gave them that creating the graph is the easy part. Having to then defend it is the big effort as anything I post, I need to be able to defend. Finally getting tired of saying no, I thought I just throw them out there. What happens? I get asked to defend it.@amirm the impulse response appears to be unfortunately yet another Klippel disaster. We have a bunch of pre-impulse ringing and a bunch of post impulse ringing which clouds the actual response. How is the plot remotely useful? What is real and what isn't? Please explain.
That is correct for me. I've got mine crossed over at 110 right now, which has been the best sounding setting to my ears so far. I am going to continue to increase that crossover and see what happens, as I have very good subs that go to 18 on paper. I've also found that the sister speakers, the m16s seem to sound better at 90.crossover. and I've got my surrounds, the Revel M55CXs at 120. Being that I have all revel speakers, I am somewhat concerned about the tonality change for a coaxial center. As soon as I went to all revel, everything seemed to be on the same wavelength... Yes, very subjective but that's the only way I know how to describe it. All of my speakers had the same tonality.You are not going to use a center channel without a subwoofer or at least full range fronts, don't you?
In a multichannel setup you'll likely be crossing it over in the 80Hz-120Hz range
No. Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs. Same here with these svelte center speakers. If I were to use a center in our living room, it would be without a sub. I put in a sub shortly and other than it cluttering our living room, I thought it added too much rumble to our everyday listening of TV programming so took it out.You are not going to use a center channel without a subwoofer or at least full range fronts, don't you?
It appears plenty of people still use the built-in TV tin-cans; either not-knowing any better or not caring enough....Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs...
No. Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs. Same here with these svelte center speakers. If I were to use a center in our living room, it would be without a sub. I put in a sub shortly and other than it cluttering our living room, I thought it added too much rumble to our everyday listening of TV programming so took it out.
Anyone building a dedicated surround system of course would have subs but hopefully also enough room for a wide dispersion center. I have such in our dedicated theater (Revel C52): https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...el-c52-speaker-review-and-measurements.10934/
This thing weighs a ton and is way too big for living room use.
I can easily fit your center under my 65 inch OLED using my inexpensive 3 shelf stand with stalk. I solved rumble issue by turning down volume of sub until needed or allowed.No. Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs. Same here with these svelte center speakers. If I were to use a center in our living room, it would be without a sub. I put in a sub shortly and other than it cluttering our living room, I thought it added too much rumble to our everyday listening of TV programming so took it out.
Anyone building a dedicated surround system of course would have subs but hopefully also enough room for a wide dispersion center. I have such in our dedicated theater (Revel C52): https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...el-c52-speaker-review-and-measurements.10934/
This thing weighs a ton and is way too big for living room use.
This driver layout looks like it should work.No. Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs. Same here with these svelte center speakers. If I were to use a center in our living room, it would be without a sub. I put in a sub shortly and other than it cluttering our living room, I thought it added too much rumble to our everyday listening of TV programming so took it out.
Anyone building a dedicated surround system of course would have subs but hopefully also enough room for a wide dispersion center. I have such in our dedicated theater (Revel C52): https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...el-c52-speaker-review-and-measurements.10934/
This thing weighs a ton and is way too big for living room use.
I find the impulse and step response graphs useful. You don't have to defend them - they are what they are.... For more than two years I have been saying the impulse measurements people ask for are useless. Yet people ask for it ...
Having to then defend it is the big effort as anything I post, I need to be able to defend. Finally getting tired of saying no, I thought I just throw them out there. What happens? I get asked to defend it.
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If there are now complaints about them, I will stop producing them.
Is anyone else bothered by that full cup of coffee on the equipment rack? I’m having anxiety and PTSD flashbacks of a very unfortunate incident…Here is the current setup in my room. (Forgive the lack of decor--that just isn't my thing.)
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I’m sure it’s just there to show the size correlation but I want to push all the speakers forward also.Is anyone else bothered by that full cup of coffee on the equipment rack? I’m having anxiety and PTSD flashbacks of a very unfortunate incident…
The purist in me also wants to slide that center to the front edge of the shelf. Ever tried it there?
I am surprised that consider using a centre speaker that has f3 at around 70-80Hz without bass-management. That is one octave short of what is expected from the centre channel speaker.No. Plenty of people use soundbars that have no subs. Same here with these svelte center speakers. If I were to use a center in our living room, it would be without a sub.
Is anyone else bothered by that full cup of coffee on the equipment rack? I’m having anxiety and PTSD flashbacks of a very unfortunate incident…
The purist in me also wants to slide that center to the front edge of the shelf. Ever tried it there?
I’m sure it’s just there to show the size correlation but I want to push all the speakers forward also.
I think I might have suggested this before but my memory is not that good.
Is anyone else bothered by that full cup of coffee on the equipment rack?
I had a half of a shot glass of gifted-whiskey (Honest! I don't even know the diff between Whiskey and Scotch...) on top of the real-oak entertainment system (w/LiftTV). The clutz me spilled it on the top surface. Within 20 seconds that it took me to wipe it off, still left a nasty stain; probably bcuz the alcohol stripped off the clear-coat. Should I worry more about PTSD rather than WAF effects, in the future?You are just lucky it wasn't a full stein of good lager!