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Revel Be series discounted by 25%

No big discount on Revels in France. I just wanted to hear them before I take the plunge, wrote twice to the French importer, let a message on his answering machine without any effect. Their premises are 500 miles from home, but my mother's place is only 40. I hoped to see and listen to them, but none were available. It seems that, just like in Germany, they don't make the effort to sell Revel's stuff. I finally got my pair of 226be at roughly half of MSRP. It only costed me a few phone calls and a little bit of fear after my bank transfer.
 
Three, what is your stand on some very personal and social choices? For example, is supporting local businesses important to you, does paying extra from a dealer that's driving distance to your house have value to you, do you have a relationship with a dealer over the years and you feel like he needs to pay the bills too? For me personally, it's a free, capitalist market, and if a local businesses can't be competitive in pricing, they will sink sooner or later.
^^^ THIS
 
I read somewhere that the sale officially begins August 1. It hasn't started yet - and that's why the prices haven't changed on many sites.
 
No big discount on Revels in France. I just wanted to hear them before I take the plunge, wrote twice to the French importer, let a message on his answering machine without any effect. Their premises are 500 miles from home, but my mother's place is only 40. I hoped to see and listen to them, but none were available. It seems that, just like in Germany, they don't make the effort to sell Revel's stuff. I finally got my pair of 226be at roughly half of MSRP. It only costed me a few phone calls and a little bit of fear after my bank transfer.
Possibly out of the Office protesting?
 
Hifi B & M suffered Armageddon in 2008. Several surviving B & M stores who sold Revel as recently as two years ago quit selling. I wonder why?
 
To toss another automobile analogy out it appears buying hifi from a "dealer" is a bit like buying a car. Nobody seems to pay the same price. Off to the grocery and negotiate over some bananas.
But you can go to Tesla.com and get the best discount available right there.
 
Crutchfield website? But they're not going to give you any additional discount and they are going to charge you tax.
The sales tax thing is not universal, it depends on state law....
 
Confirmation for German customers: I called Harman Deutschland and I was told, that there are no authorized dealers for the brand (Hell, I had to literally SPELL the name "Revel" to the call center agent :oops:).

I really don't understand their business politics: at least they abandone a market of nearly 85 million people...

They opened a ticket and I should receive a call from someone who can explain this or even better who knows a way to purchase Revel speakers out here in the dessert :facepalm:
Completely agree. I don’t understand their business model. I wrote about my experience sourcing a pair of F35: Could Harman be any worse at selling Revel speakers?
 
25% off at retail is nothing to get excited about.

When it's 40% off dealer cost and a subsequent retail price is >60% off, then you've got a deal.
Revel Be series hasn't been on this level of a sale to my knowledge. Pretty much better than used prices when you take shipping and tax into consideration.
 
Sorry, didn't know that term has a negative connotation. Especially when you churn out equipment with SINADs that is unparalleled and unheard of, in some forums the term turned into a badge of honor.

Apologies, I will not use that term here again.
Yeah, people now being offended by abbreviations (abbr., abbrv., abbrev.)?

I wonder if people actually take offense or it is the rule makers that take it by proxy.
 
I thought really long and hard if I wanted to make this post. I finally decided I should.

While this is a *good* deal. I am going to let you in on some industry "secrets."

Most speakers' MSRP are 4 to 6 times the cost of bill of materials and labor. The reason why it's so high is because the distributor gets a huge cut, the dealers gets a huge cut too, then defects and warranty, logistics, etc. So in order to be profitable it has to be 4x to 6x of cost.

In my ~28 years of being in this hobby, rarely have I paid MSRP for a new, factory sealed HiFi product. There are few exceptions: ChiFi and manufacturer direct. ChiFi margins are already low and there are only a handful of online retailers. Manufacturer direct of the likes of Axiom, they are the sole sell-side supply chain, so they have every aspect of price control, manufacturer direct are generally 3x to 5x.

How come I am not finding these deals then, you're full of shit!

Because one, you are shopping at the wrong places. Almost ALL chain retailers or retailers with an internet commerce presence (I will not name any one of them, but you can easily guess who I am referring to), you will not get much, if any discounts. Their business model and customer base are "soccer dads" or "naive new buyers."

Two, you are not aggressive enough in negotiating. Remember, you are the buyer, and you have something called the buyers' power, that power is to walk if you are not happy with the deal you are getting. Now this won't work under extraordinary circumstances, such as the supply chain crunch during COVID.

Three, what is your stand on some very personal and social choices? For example, is supporting local businesses important to you, does paying extra from a dealer that's driving distance to your house have value to you, do you have a relationship with a dealer over the years and you feel like he needs to pay the bills too? For me personally, it's a free, capitalist market, and if a local businesses can't be competitive in pricing, they will sink sooner or later.

So in short 25% off of the Revel Be line is a good deal but it's not a *great* deal.
This is true. I've made it a habit many decades ago to only buy used HiFi for the same reasons. Actually I avoid buying new in most my purchases. Disregarding "planned obsolescence products" like cheap TV's and appliances that, let's face it, aren't built to last anyway anymore.

When you see a glossy 20 layer paint speaker you know what you pay for and it isn't the sound quality, crossover or components..
 
That's why i try to buy last gen stuff used....kef r3s at 50% of retail works well....
That's also a great plan. And you can actually be lucky that the discontinued product is better than the new.
 
Really? How so?
i can give you 1 anecdotal example.. the emotiva b1 and b1+.. they are actually identical sound wise, given this the b1 when on close out was "better".. btw , Dennis Murphy is the person that discovered the 2 were identical...
 
25% off at retail is nothing to get excited about.

When it's 40% off dealer cost and a subsequent retail price is >60% off, then you've got a deal.
Here's some old data, but seems very relevant all these decades later. I bought some AR91 speakers with Circuit City's "cost to employee discount" back when they had 5 stores. MRSP was $499 per speaker and they very often went on sale for $299 each, I got them for $103 each.
 
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