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Exploring the same idea to get a pair S510 or S812 connecting to main amps with main full range speaker .

Checking to see if you think the bass for REL is coherent with the bass from main speakers or you have to adjust the phase ?

They play perfectly coherent, just as if the main speakers have stepped up in size and are now capable of a truly full-range sound. As these subwoofers only handle the bass from the point where the main speakers are naturally rolling off in the bass, they only add bass extension, while the sound of your main speakers remains the same as before. I often hear people saying they don't like how the bass sounds when altered by low-pass filtering the main speakers, but that is never a problem when the subwoofers are only taking care of the lowest bass, which the main speakers can't handle on their own.

I have positioned each subwoofer directly outside its corresponding main speaker, ensuring they are physically playing in phase by making fine adjustments to the positioning of the subwoofers.

You could use REW measurements to adjust the placement, but the way REL suggests works fine, as it's quite easy to hear when the subwoofer plays perfectly in-phase with the corresponding main speaker, while listening to a music track with a repeated bass sound. You could use any track of your choice, but the one REL suggests works great, which is the track “Cosmo...Old Friend” from the movie soundtrack album of Sneakers. As already said, you will easily hear, while moving the subwoofer in small steps, when the subwoofer plays perfectly with the main speaker. The listening process is also quite fun, and at the same time, you get the chance to learn how it sounds when the subwoofer plays in perfect phase with the main speaker. Do this for one subwoofer/main speaker at a time, by turning off/disconnecting the left or the right channel.

It doesn't take much time to ruffly integrate these subwoofers seamlessly with the main speakers, and then you just have to fine-tune the crossover and volume level settings over the next couple of weeks, while listening to music. It's a good chance that you want some small differences in the settings for the left subwoofer compared to the settings of the right subwoofer.

After the initial setup period, you don't have to fiddle with the settings anymore, as you will find it sounds well-balanced and correct with everything you play, which seems to be another problem people often have when they don't get the subwoofers to integrate seamlessly with the main speakers. With subwoofers that are only taking care of the low bass extension, this is very easy to get right.

Also can the high level input be driven from monoblock like Mark Levinson 536 ?

Thanks

That shouldn't be a problem. Just connect the high-level connection cable from each subwoofer to each binding post on each amplifier, left for left and right for right, as you connect each of your main speakers. I use a class A/B dual mono integrated amplifier in my system, and the subwoofers are connected in a stereo configuration where the left and right channels are kept fully discreet. The high-level cable that comes with the subwoofers has three cables: one red and one yellow cable that go to the plus (+) binding post on the amplifier, and one black cable that goes to the minus (-) binding post.

As the amplifiers in the REL S/510 and the S/810 are both class D, and your amplifiers are class A/B, as mine, you will likely need to switch the phase switch on the subwoofers to 180 degrees. Class D amplifiers usually invert the signal compared to class A/B amps.
 
The videos, marketing and high level Speakon superiority is not my cup of tea, however:

- Excellent finishing on the enclosures.
- Good dealer network.
- No DSP, just old fashioned crossover network. If you want to DSP the sub, wouldn't you want to do this on the pre amp anyway?
- High level connection supporting older (style) setups.
- Brand recognition and used market resale value are better than others.

I've done some work on REL's from the past, late 90's and 00's. Can't remember the exact models, however the build of the cabinets and amplifier components was good. toroidal transformer, Nichicon caps and easy serviceable.

A REL is not for everybody, but there certainly cases in which I'd recommend them. Would very much like to see a few REL's measured.
well at those shocking prices its a bit pricey for a cup of tea :p
 
@Andysu Even companies like Macintosh and Accuphase sell their own brand of cabling. Mac sells a 100 euro 12v trigger cable.. But I agree it's very very much snake oil. However, a great business model.

There's no law against selling bullshit cables, otherwise brands like Audioquest wouldn't exist.

I know some cable believers, a few of them even reasonably intelligent. They are happy with the cables they buy and will not be convinced otherwise. I let them be.
 
There's no law against selling bullshit cables,
Technically there is - if they are making claims about the performance of the cables which don't align with reality.
 
Technically there is - if they are making claims about the performance of the cables which don't align with reality.
someone mentioned the rel cable is very fast ?
okay then , will take the snake oil cable and a snail put both of them at the start line and see which one of them makes to the finish line

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I use a Rel T7X with my Kef R5’s and it’s really good.
However John Hunter is full of BS, which knocks my faith in the company, even though I'm happy with mine.
 
I started with 2 REL HT1205 added a T9i for the center and eventually bought a REL S812 sub. I notice a huge difference on vs off. heck even my wife can tell the difference and says it makes things sound clearer. do not ask me how that works?

dirac? active EQ?.... geze... groans. I want to plug it in fiddle with it a bit and have it sound great and that is what my REL does. seamless integration with a couple of bumps on the gain when I want huge bass. anything more no thank you I do not want my drywall screws loosening. I have a infinity HPS 1000 sub for that and it is regulated to the 30 by 50 garage not my living room.

as to H saying there is no xlr inputs a few times well sir...you are wrong and makes you seem a little ignant.

I would be more than happy to bring any of my RELs in for testing as I live near bremerton.
 

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so why REL? well this video explains part of the why:
boom vs bass notes and this is one the lowest end(cheapest) REL usbs.
 
dirac? active EQ?.... geze... groans. I want to plug it in fiddle with it a bit and have it sound great and that is what my REL does.
For me it‘s quite the opposite. Fiddle once with Dirac Live Bass Control and choose between 3 profiles depending on the source material. Does it sound ok after some manual tweaking? Yes. But why should one settle just with ok sound after adding 4 subwoofers to the setup?
 
I’ve heard REL subs sound superb, and some of the measurements out there would suggest they perform well. Not the most extended but in my experience this doesn’t necessarily correlate with my better listening experiences.

Shame the company seems to spout so much nonsense in their marketing and occasional dips into snake oil. The subs are actually great IMO…
 
Their cable video above is easily enough for me to discount them completely.
Keith
 
I’ve heard REL subs sound superb, and some of the measurements out there would suggest they perform well. Not the most extended but in my experience this doesn’t necessarily correlate with my better listening experiences.

Shame the company seems to spout so much nonsense in their marketing and occasional dips into snake oil. The subs are actually great IMO…
Agree. The new cables they are hawking has made me cross them off of my list for any future purchases.
 
They’re not forcing you to buy the cables though…?
True, but any company that hawks that shit with ridiculous statements about a “fast” cable will be ignored. I have a loan SvS Sb2000 pro in my system at the moment. It measures very well and sounds excellent. I tried the Rel 1205 and took it back quite fast. It was distinctly average.
 
heck even my wife can tell the difference and says it makes things sound clearer. do not ask me how that works?
Was she in the kitchen at the time?
 
By definition, using high level inputs means that you'll have to send full range signal to the main speakers. In "bass managed" systems, the mains are high pass filtered and are relieved of their low frequency duties, so they can "concentrate" on reproducing mid-bass and above, and the usual results is cleaner mid-bass (and higher max SPL). You cannot have bass managed system with high level inputs.

Also, speakers are frequency and level dependent reactive loads, and generate back EMF. If the amp output impedance is high (resulting in a system with low damping factor), the signals to the sub(s) using high level inputs can be somewhat corrupted.

[Edit] The signal quality of the high level inputs are also dependent on the output signal quality of the speaker amp. If the amp clips, the sub(s) will be receiving clipped inputs.
I use these on my PreAamp out's to my subs amps & speaker amps (in my home):
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