Recomendation for AV amp, im lost. help

[savas]

If you want to go the AVR route, which is perfectly sensible even if it seems a bit silly to have a bunch of channels you're not going to use, I might recommend the JBL MA710.

Or go for separates with a Wiim Ultra and a stereo amp like Audiophonics MPA-S250NC.

Thank you.
If I go with avr I get everything in one place but not as much quality if i understood correctly?

If i go for integrated I get what I pay for but with limited support with the new gadgets?

If I go separates I get more quality and options and more support for specific things?

 

[kyuu]

Thank you.
If I go with avr I get everything in one place but not as much quality if i understood correctly?

If i go for integrated I get what I pay for but with limited support with the new gadgets?

If I go separates I get more quality and options and more support for specific things?

The separates will definitely get you the best overall quality in terms of measurements. However, I would say the audible difference between them and the AVR is somewhere between negligible and non-existent. The biggest audible difference the Wiim + amp setup will get you over the AVR is the parametric EQ, honestly, assuming you take measurements to use it effectively to tame room modes in the bass region (or use the Wiim's built-in automated room correction). The AVR has "EZ Set EQ" room correction, but that is of questionable quality (though still better than nothing). If you move up to the MA7100HP model, you can purchase a Dirac license which would do much better. But then you're breaking the $1k barrier.

If you want something that's much less fuss and does what you need in one box, AVRs are quite sensible. Despite the fact that we all wish AVR manufacturers would up their game and get some better measurements out of their systems, again, the audible differences are slim to none.

Edit: Cheapest way to get good automated room correction (which makes a way bigger audible difference than the measured SINAD differences) would be to go find an Onkyo TX-NR7100, which seems to go for around $700 nowadays and includes Dirac. It's way bigger than the JBL and includes all kinds of inputs you don't need, but if that doesn't bother you it's a good deal.

 

[ZolaIII]

Thank you.
If I go with avr I get everything in one place but not as much quality if i understood correctly?

If i go for integrated I get what I pay for but with limited support with the new gadgets?

If I go separates I get more quality and options and more support for specific things?

Basically yes, extended you might have problem with DSP based solutions on availability. WiiM Ultra tries to be too too much on it's own (not great ADC and phono). If you can get Mini DSP Flex it would be much better and got you covered if you one day decide to add sub's. With or without Dirac and with microphone of course. Fosi Audio Box X5 as phono preamp (for better price and both types of cartridges suport over CA Solo) and deacent Yamaha with 120~140W output, preferably A-S 701 or if you could find old A-S 700 would be ideal. You use Mini as preamp, power amplifier volume as limiter and plug the phono stage to Mini analog input and outputs to amplifier, TV to Mini over Toslink. That would be 15~20 dB headroom over really good AVR's regarding THD+N and 90 dB SINAD from power amplifier is more than fine and knowing it will serve you for very, very long time.

 

[ZolaIII]

Spare money saving go would be: A-S501 + Fosi and WiiM Pro Plus (about 800 $/€). While Yamaha R-N 1000A is currently a bit over priced (and not all are in regarding the looks) it's best all in one package you can get right now in stereo form. If you want to go with AVR try to catch Denon AVR-X3700H if you possibly can.

 

[mhardy6647]

For more info on what I am using now it is Onkyo TX 7830 R1. Don't know if it is any good, but I like it, except that I am getting pretty annoyed with disappearing R channel, or selector not working random times... And I have to use an optical converter to use it with the tv, but I cant control audio level via remote then...View attachment 426438

Should be just fine.

 

[bravomail]

Hello.

As the tread name suggest, I am looking for an amp. I've been reading a lot on them and the more I read, the more I get lost.
My situation: at the moment I am using a old ONKYO (dont remember correctly, but It was made in 1980~) amp and I am quite happy with the sound, I used other amps (again old ones) one of the best one I had was a hybrid tube amp made in 1984 but I got tired of repairind the old amps and I bought my first TV (yeah I know its 2025 but I only use the TV for movies), since I am moving forward and got a Hisense 65U8 tv, I want it to finally get a new or at least this century amp and use one remote for sound, you know, for convienence.

The thing is, I only need a few of the features and I am quite oblivious of the new stuff:

PHONO is a must I like my vinyl...
HDMI (for the remote audio control)

thats basically it. I am using only 2 speakers but they are self made a long time ago but don't know if it helps. Not planing on going surround. I have no use for the integrated FM or spotify and other clutter, since my tv can do that, I see no reason I would need another device to do the same...
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What my reaserch gave me:

Yamaha rx-v6a 600 euro
Denon avr x2800h 700 euro
Denon avc x3800h or 3700 (since it's better?) 1050euro

I would really like to stay below 1000 euro since the old stuff sounds good for 100e but it's just not convient...
Maybe there are better alternatives to my needs? Or am I just overthinking it?

Thank you in advance

get Wiim Pro. get phono separately if needed.

 

[savas]

alright, so I have this:

If I understand:
Option 1/6: all in one mid level quality do all
Option 2: all I want with a bit better than mid level quality
Option 3/4: the best sound quality and future proof so to say
Option 5: cheapest, better than mid quality

did I got it right?

 

[ZolaIII]

You will hardly find Denon for that price and if you can it's a winner and with Audiseey + app even at higher price. Yamaha R-N 1000A is in line with old A-S700 or A-S 1000. A-S 501 is more in line with old R-N803 regarding power amplifier stages, basically clean 60W vs 90~100W and about same continues headroom before clipping 120~140 W.
Which speakers are you using with 12" woofers?
Expect everything listed will last 7~10 years except Yamaha power amps that will live to talk about it even dubbed that.
You can always prioritise differently in favor to get more and try to find a better deal on Yamahas or find older rare gems they had in not or little used state. Catching a A-S or R-S 700 in such condition for 200~300 €. A blast from the past if you like. WiiM Pro Plus is basic and by hand 10 PEQ regarding correction but hard to argue for the price and we will see about room correction promises. It's not glittered in roses and ADC ain't better than on Ultra but for the phono input purpose it's enough. Similar to A-S 501 simply good enough. Flex is: PEQ, FIR and Dirac (+200$) with four output chenels but over priced. All mentioned Yamahas have a form of loudness compensation, either by hand or automatic (only R-N1000A), Denon with Audiseey also has automatic one. Flex and WiiM doesn't but as long as you use 2.0 output you can use manual one on Yamahas.
You can choose and to go with cheaper SoM amp's based on Purify or Hypex modules and try to find one's with proper unbalanced input stage and gain seting getting more or same continues and more short term peek output (H class).

 

[effj]

I don’t know; a lot of these responses don’t seem to speak to the OP’s stated requirements. Even though most AVRs don’t measure well, and surround sound isn’t needed, OP literally asked for an AVR in the title, and the stated requirements seem best solved by an AVR. Can you even get volume-control-over HDMI in a non-AVR? That should rule out some of the suggestions that were given. Why not suggest an entry-level AVR? Though people have budgets and can spend more than entry-level, why spend extra money unless you would notice the difference? I recognize that this is the ASR forum, but I’m wondering if OP knew what he was getting into coming here.

 

[Petrushka]

I don’t know; a lot of these responses don’t seem to speak to the OP’s stated requirements. Even though most AVRs don’t measure well, and surround sound isn’t needed, OP literally asked for an AVR in the title, and the stated requirements seem best solved by an AVR. Can you even get volume-control-over HDMI in a non-AVR? That should rule out some of the suggestions that were given. Why not suggest an entry-level AVR? Though people have budgets and can spend more than entry-level, why spend extra money unless you would notice the difference? I recognize that this is the ASR forum, but I’m wondering if OP knew what he was getting into coming here.

Yes, you can get eArc in a stereo amp.

 

[early rejecter]

I don’t know; a lot of these responses don’t seem to speak to the OP’s stated requirements. . . OP literally asked for an AVR in the title, and the stated requirements seem best solved by an AVR. Can you even get volume-control-over HDMI in a non-AVR?

Wasn’t going to say anything but yeah, a lot of these suggestions aren’t making sense to me. The primary aim here seems to be simplicity, which is why I suggested stereo receivers with phono inputs and HDMI — and yes, the TV remote will adjust volume, so no need to rule them out. There are also half a dozen AVRs that meet the requirements well under budget without needing three separate boxes.

 

[savas]

You will hardly find Denon for that price and if you can it's a winner and with Audiseey + app even at higher price.

All the prices I've found that I can get now, they are real.

So I should get the denon and be done?

 

[GXAlan]

All the prices I've found that I can get now, they are real.

So I should get the denon and be done?

Yes. The Denon is great, has real customer service, reliability and compatibility. Only wildcard is going to the x3800h which is more future proof.

 

[savas]

Yes. The Denon is great, has real customer service, reliability and compatibility. Only wildcard is going to the x3800h which is more future proof.

I can get both on the same price, but red that the 3700 is better?

 

[savas]

So to clear things up a bit.

My post about av is because I atm only found them to have hdmi.
I appreciate all the input since DAC, DSP, room correction is new to me and I like reading about it and learning on the way.

I do prefer sound quality over the simplicity.
I want to get best quality to my budged since I tried an "modern" AV in like 2010 and hated it for sound quality (it was Kenwood) and my knowledge is quite limited with the modern stuff and it's difficult to listen to the amps before buying... I decided to do a proper research before spending my money.

 

[kyuu]

I can get both on the same price, but red that the 3700 is better?

I'm pretty sure the only reason that would be said is due to the early production 3700s having a different DAC chip. That resulted in the DAC section having a minor SINAD advantage over the later 3700 units and the 3800. However, it's absolutely not worth chasing that minor SINAD difference. If you can get a good deal on a 3700, I'd say go for that. But otherwise, no reason not to go for the 3800.

 

[ZolaIII]

All the prices I've found that I can get now, they are real.

So I should get the denon and be done?

At that price you should go for it. Older Denon X3700H for Audiseey and app support!

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Dirac doesn't have equal loudness compensation. You can still get better phono preamp and use with it, integrated takes MM only.