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Reasonable cost HDMI DSD DAC for Sony UBP-X700

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I am experimenting with this player and I looking for a low cost ~£3-400 HDMI DSD to a DSD capable DAC?
As many I'm sure are aware, this player has a dedicated audio out HDMI output which is the one I want to use the player as a SACD transport.
I don't want to mess about with extractors etc.
Thanks.
DM
 
Hi @darkmatter! Welcome to ASR.

Only Sony supports native DSD via HDMI, so you're limited to DACs that they sell.

The only other solution is an HDMI to i2s converter plus a DAC with i2s input.

Such converters are rare, quite expensive, and you'll likely have to troubleshoot the i2s connection since that usually doesn't work on first try.
 
Hi @darkmatter! Welcome to ASR.

Only Sony supports native DSD via HDMI, so you're limited to DACs that they sell.

The only other solution is an HDMI to i2s converter plus a DAC with i2s input.

Such converters are rare, quite expensive, and you'll likely have to troubleshoot the i2s connection since that usually doesn't work on first try.

I am experimenting with this player and I looking for a low cost ~£3-400 HDMI DSD to a DSD capable DAC?
As many I'm sure are aware, this player has a dedicated audio out HDMI output which is the one I want to use the player as a SACD transport.
I don't want to mess about with extractors etc.
Thanks.
DM
Bryston BDA-3 accepts DSD over HDMI from the HDMI audio out for that Sony line (700 through 900). The Bryston also accepts DSD via HDMI from a PC with HDMI audio out but over your stated budget. I’ve been using the 800 for 6 or 7 years now feeding it to my Bryston which has held up as a fine DAC. Unfortunately, the Sony units are not great transports. Discontinued Oppo 1700 (as I recall… ?) also send DSD via HDMI. Unfortunately, they wrapped up their HiFi division just as I was so, so close to buying one for $1900 CDN. The final inventory sold out overnight and the used market doubled the prices the next day. Most now ridiculously overpriced. Sony owns the proprietary SACD DSD conversion technology and seems adamant on keeping it that way. Or maybe they liscen$e it so it’s out of reach for others to make viable products. I *think* Bryston’s solution uses their own proprietary conversion process, possibly similar to what PS Audio has done with their i2S solution but the brain cells I stored that data in seem to have malfunctioned. Interesting topic without a lot of great solutions. Ultimately, SACDs just never got the market traction they needed to encourage labels into making SACD releases a priority so there’s no need for manufacturers to provide SACD solutions.
 
Bryston BDA-3 accepts DSD over HDMI from the HDMI audio out for that Sony line (700 through 900). The Bryston also accepts DSD via HDMI from a PC with HDMI audio out but over your stated budget. I’ve been using the 800 for 6 or 7 years now feeding it to my Bryston which has held up as a fine DAC. Unfortunately, the Sony units are not great transports. Discontinued Oppo 1700 (as I recall… ?) also send DSD via HDMI. Unfortunately, they wrapped up their HiFi division just as I was so, so close to buying one for $1900 CDN. The final inventory sold out overnight and the used market doubled the prices the next day. Most now ridiculously overpriced. Sony owns the proprietary SACD DSD conversion technology and seems adamant on keeping it that way. Or maybe they liscen$e it so it’s out of reach for others to make viable products. I *think* Bryston’s solution uses their own proprietary conversion process, possibly similar to what PS Audio has done with their i2S solution but the brain cells I stored that data in seem to have malfunctioned. Interesting topic without a lot of great solutions. Ultimately, SACDs just never got the market traction they needed to encourage labels into making SACD releases a priority so there’s no need for manufacturers to provide SACD solutions.
Sony owns the brand-name DSD and, with Philips, has standardized some aspect of it more than 20 years ago to make a business model out of it, but there are no longer any "proprietary DSD conversion technology" and, besides, DSD is "just" a 1 bit delta-sigma modulation that can be converted to analogue as any other 1 bit delta-sigma modulated stream. Almost all significant digital to analogue converter chips from all major players in the industry (Texas Instruments under the brand name Burr Brown, ESS, Analog Devices, Cirrus Logic, AKM and formerly Wolfson, NPC and Sony) have been able to convert DSD to analogue for more than a quarter of a century. The Bryston BDA-3 uses one of this off-the-shelf DAC chip: an AKM AK4490, which has been around since 11 years.

And Sony is far from the only manufacturer that has put on the consumer market disc players that can output DSD over HDMI (version 1.2 or higher). There were and are many from Pioneer, Marantz, Denon, Oppo, Magnetar, Reavon, Cambridge Audio, Yamaha, Arcam, Ayre, Electrocompaniet, Goldmund, Lexicon, Macintosh, Onkyo, Pannde, Primare, Theta, you name it...

What is really lacking are many DACs with HDMI input. The Bryston BDA-3 is some sort of a welcome exception on that matter. But on the other hand, there are innumerable A/V receivers with HDMI inputs and many of them accept DSD and if not, DSD can be decimated to PCM by the sending device to be used by those A/V receivers.
 
I am experimenting with this player and I looking for a low cost ~£3-400 HDMI DSD to a DSD capable DAC?
As many I'm sure are aware, this player has a dedicated audio out HDMI output which is the one I want to use the player as a SACD transport.
I don't want to mess about with extractors etc.
Thanks.
DM
I looked at all kinds of solutions for my SACDs (outside of HDMI out to a compatible receiver) and the only solution in my budget was to just rip them all. I was fortunate enough to have a Sony BDP-S790 that was compatible with the ripping process. It is a bit of work, but now I have them all as .dsf files and can send them straight to a DSD compatible DAC with no issues or complicated setups. This doesn't work for everyone I understand, but I needed an option besides just SACD player HDMI out to a receiver.
 
I am looking at this exact player.

Don't most home theatre receivers decode DSD? Anything mid-range from the last 5 years should have this.

Example: Onkyo RZ50, Yamaha A2A, etc

The UBP x700 should be able to output HDMI DSD via HDMI 2, which is audio only.

I imagine you can then use the included Sony remote control to change tracks, all without needing to turn on an actual TV.

Would this be a correct line of thinking? Does it fit with reality?
 
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