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Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 - Purifi based compact speaker

What are you looking for?
At the moment, something with more extension and volume at low frequencies, that doesn't need a sub. Kind of like what Radiant Acoustics is doing. So probably not a sealed enclosure, unless you count passive radiator as sealed, which it technically is.

But, if you're designing for a pairing with a sub, there are certainly advantages to a sealed enclosure.
 
At the moment, something with more extension and volume at low frequencies, that doesn't need a sub. Kind of like what Radiant Acoustics is doing. So probably not a sealed enclosure, unless you count passive radiator as sealed, which it technically is.

Maybe Dennis can have Paul Kittinger do a MLTL version for you.:)
 
Maybe Dennis can have Paul Kittinger do a MLTL version for you.:)
He's already done that--the HT tower. But I think Kharan is looking for a 2-way monitor, which wouldn't make a very promising candidate for an MLTL application.

kharan

 
He's already done that--the HT tower. But I think Kharan is looking for a 2-way monitor, which wouldn't make a very promising candidate for an MLTL application

Well it could be a big monitor. ;)

I was joking since you mentioned a sealed enclosure. Just guessing without the particulars, but aren't the Purifi woofers more damped and preferably indicated for a port assist?
 
Well it could be a big monitor. ;)

I was joking since you mentioned a sealed enclosure. Just guessing without the particulars, but aren't the Purifi woofers more damped and preferably indicated for a port assist?
Most of the Purifi woofs are meant for a bass reflex cabinet. The one I have in mind does quite well sealed in a relatively small cabinet. It would go lower ported, but only in a much larger box. That's why God invented the subwoofer.
 
It sounds like you're thinking about branching out from your normal lower bass tunings with a higher F3 THX style monitor, a natural progression to go with the HT Center for those who don't want towers.:cool:
 
Most of the Purifi woofs are meant for a bass reflex cabinet.
It seems they also want somewhat small enclosures which makes porting tough so we see passive-radiator (also bass-reflex of course) designs tuned under 40Hz. This makes the expense of the PRs somewhat superflous if high-passing to a sub at 80Hz or so. So I see a place for a sealed. Looking at the data for the PTT6.5X04-NAA-08, for example, Purifi sites a "Typical corner frequency, sealed B2 alignment 64.6Hz" in 6.7L, not too shabby.
 
We must be realistic, one will never get lots of sub-bass out of a cabinet this size.

Same with Kii 7. When Bruno Putzeys demonstrated this at the Dutch Audio Event, he used the track “Chunky” from Bruno Mars. This track sounds like it has a lot of bass, tight and punchy out of the Kii Seven (same size as the radiant approximately) and it seems to sound great in the bass department.


But when you play this track on a full range system with sub-bass, you will discover that there is also sub-bass in this song and the bass sounds more nuanced and articulated in comparison. Much more impressive and powerful. Furthermore, you can really feel it.

But then again, for the size, measurements show it delivers clean and relatively undistorted bass and 40hz might be enough for the masses.
 
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We must be realistic, one will never get lots of sub-bass out of a cabinet this size.

Same with Kii 7. When Bruno Putzeys demonstrated this at the Dutch Audio Event, he used the track “Chunky” from Bruno Mars. This track sounds like it has a lot of bass, tight and punchy out of the Kii Seven (same size as the radiant approximately) and it seems to sound great in the bass department.

But when you play this track on a full range system with sub-bass, you will discover that there is also sub-bass in this song and the bass sounds more nuanced and articulated in comparison. Much more impressive and powerful. Furthermore, you can really feel it.

But then again, dor the size, measurements show it delivers clean and relatively undistorted bass and 40hz might be enough for the masses.
Very well put. Having never heard the Purifi drivers before, it was easy to imagine some secret sauce to give them crazy extension! Instead, they are very well behaved inside their spec-range, and then well integrated to drop off quickly and not play what they can't.

If you enjoy the visceral impact and depth of sub-bass (or the music you enjoy demands it) - enjoy the small cabinets with great clean sound and supplement them with big boxes for sub-bass :)
 
We must be realistic, one will never get lots of sub-bass out of a cabinet this size.

Same with Kii 7. When Bruno Putzeys demonstrated this at the Dutch Audio Event, he used the track “Chunky” from Bruno Mars. This track sounds like it has a lot of bass, tight and punchy out of the Kii Seven (same size as the radiant approximately) and it seems to sound great in the bass department.

But when you play this track on a full range system with sub-bass, you will discover that there is also sub-bass in this song and the bass sounds more nuanced and articulated in comparison. Much more impressive and powerful. Furthermore, you can really feel it.

But then again, dor the size, measurements show it delivers clean and relatively undistorted bass and 40hz might be enough for the masses.
Absolutely. In the end - no matter if you go passive or active, equalized or not - bass needs displacement volume. Period. And even a long stroke 6.5" driver can only deliver so much of it.

Purifi and Radiant Acoustics are fully aware, of course. Neither the drivers nor the speaker have been advertised to deliver the lowest bass ever. ;)

Very well put. Having never heard the Purifi drivers before, it was easy to imagine some secret sauce to give them crazy extension! Instead, they are very well behaved inside their spec-range, and then well integrated to drop off quickly and not play what they can't.
That's true, but there's more to it. As @Vergiliusma already mentioned, the real deal with Purifi drivers is how linear they are with respect to power and excursion. Push them as much as you want (within their mechanical limits) and their characteristics will stay the same, be it suspension stiffness, driving force, voice coil inductance and counter EMF. The cone moving outwards as much as moving inwards. This is why not only THD is very low but also inter-modulation distortion.

Note that the crossover frequency is around 2.4 kHz. This might have somewhat been the norm 30 or 35 years ago, but speakers back then did really suffer from a rough directivity index and midrange IMD nobody talked much about (because it was hard to measure and impossible to mitigate for everybody unless you went with a 3-way design, introducing other problems). One could really say: As soon as you see the cone moving, sound starts to get ******. This is no longer true with the Purifi woofers.

I'd still like to know what's been causing this strange distortion peak in Erin's measurements. It doesn't look like it should be there, even if he says he didn't recognize it during his listening sessions.
 
I made a playlist out of all the songs I shazamed at Dutch Audio Event 2024, enjoy:

 
Nice playlist, lots of great tunes, thanks for sharing!
Thanks!

I skipped the default Malia / dominique fils-aimé / long black coat / liberty songs as much as possible.
 
not only THD is very low but also inter-modulation distortion.
Is it? I was rather surprised reading these
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/radiant_acoustics_clarity62/
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/19...lium-mid-and-superbly-low-distortion.3310265/
and others that offhand the Radiant harmonic distortion does not seem to measure ultra crazy low. Am I not looking at enough graphs carefully enough? Is the Purifi more about IMD maybe or some other factor?
 
Am I not looking at enough graphs carefully enough?
Here it is next to a similarly sized and similarly priced, passive 2-way bookshelf from Revel, the M126Be:
Revel M126Be Harmonic Distortion (86dB @ 1m).png Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 Harmonic Distortion (86dB @ 1m).png
Revel M126Be Harmonic Distortion (96dB @ 1m).png Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 Harmonic Distortion (96dB @ 1m).png
Revel M126Be_Compression.png Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2 (15°)_Compression.png
MTON FULL (2).png mton full (1).png

It's really rather impressive.
 
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They aren't. Bennic is an established Taiwanese parts manufacturer of over 40 years and quite well regarded among speaker builders. That XPP series is a few dollars per piece. Not exactly the cheapest possible option for a few cents each. Looks like a solid choice.
I didn´t experience them myself but there´s an extended capacitor test/review online where the XPP is described as ´the one to avoid when possible´. This is coming from a very experienced crossover builder.
To me this choice is mostly cost related.
These drivers deserve a better crossover and I´m almost sure they will offer this option in the near future ( like Buchardt, CSS,...)
 
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I have a similar Purifi design (same drivers) and the sound did benefit a lot from a serious break-in/workout. Playing at ´normal´ listening level didn´t do the job (+50h). Only after playing ´bass excursion music´ for more then 1 hour at high level the midrange changed from lean (= not low enough compared to all my other speakers) to a completely normal level.
I wanted to share this, maybe it can help
 
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