questions about hooking up 2 speakers to a new tv

[hansy]

Hello,
I bought a new tv that does not have analog audio out. it just has digital out.
I'd like to use my two genelec speakers for watching tv.

some have suggested using a dac, but then i would lose the ability to control volume using the apple tv remote i use or the television remote.
i would need a separate remote for volume.

is there no solution to this which allows the tv to control the volume when using anything other than tv speakers? thank you

 

[Vacceo]

You´d need a device that provides you with an HDMI ARC/EARC. A Wiim Ultra or similar device should be ok to do so.

 

[Vincent Kars]

Maybe a simple HDMI extractor can do the job. To the best of my limited knowledge, HDMI offers volume control using the remote of the TV

HDMI Control and synchronized operations

manual.yamaha.com

 

[hansy]

You´d need a device that provides you with an HDMI ARC/EARC. A Wiim Ultra or similar device should be ok to do so.

Thanks, Sof if i understand what you are saying, i wouldn't use the digital audio out on the television, but instead an hdmi out?

 

[Vacceo]

Thanks, Sof if i understand what you are saying, i wouldn't use the digital audio out on the television, but instead an hdmi out?

TV audio can be routed to an external source in various ways depending on the outputs you have on the TV. The most usual nowadays are SPDIF connections and HDMI.
On HDMI, which you should have several, one is marked with ARC or EARC. That is the audio return channel/enhanced audio return channel. I´m assuming your tv is recent, hence you´ll have the second. For two channels the difference is not massive, but for multichannel systems, it means that your TV is able to pass high resolution signals and Atmos metadata in the case of EARC. It´s important that you use that HDMI port, as it´s the only one that sends audio, the others only receive the signal.

What that connection does is taking the audio signal played in the TV to an external source. That could be the case of a soundbar, a set of powered speakers, an AVR... What you lack is the endopoint to receive that signal and in turn, send it to your Genelecs. Taht´s where the Wiim or similar divice will do its work.

In order to get all the devices to work on a single remote, usually the TV´s one, they all need to be CEC compliant. In this time and age, chances are they will all be, as that is an HDMI feature, but it´s also possible that you may get issues as some manufacturers may not be as compatible with the standard as others.

 

[hansy]

Thanks for this great info!

 

[Vacceo]

Thanks for this great info!

I have a set of LS50 Wireless II hooked up to an LG C2 OLED TV in the living room. I can confirm that the CEC works on those, same as the EARC HDMI. Your user case is something I cannot bet on, though.

 

[hansy]

TV audio can be routed to an external source in various ways depending on the outputs you have on the TV. The most usual nowadays are SPDIF connections and HDMI.
On HDMI, which you should have several, one is marked with ARC or EARC. That is the audio return channel/enhanced audio return channel. I´m assuming your tv is recent, hence you´ll have the second. For two channels the difference is not massive, but for multichannel systems, it means that your TV is able to pass high resolution signals and Atmos metadata in the case of EARC. It´s important that you use that HDMI port, as it´s the only one that sends audio, the others only receive the signal.

What that connection does is taking the audio signal played in the TV to an external source. That could be the case of a soundbar, a set of powered speakers, an AVR... What you lack is the endopoint to receive that signal and in turn, send it to your Genelecs. Taht´s where the Wiim or similar divice will do its work.

In order to get all the devices to work on a single remote, usually the TV´s one, they all need to be CEC compliant. In this time and age, chances are they will all be, as that is an HDMI feature, but it´s also possible that you may get issues as some manufacturers may not be as compatible with the standard as others.

So you have speakers wireless connecting to your TV?

Also, do you think apple tv remote would work to control the volume in this kind of setup?

 

[Vacceo]

So you have speakers wireless connecting to your TV?

Also, do you think apple tv remote would work to control the volume in this kind of setup?

The speakers are wired to the TV via HDMI. I could run them wireless between each other, but I also keep them linked via ethernet cable to ensure a better response.

I do not have an Apple TV device, but if I did, I´d plug it to the TV´s HDMI and let CEC manage all the chain of devices.

Wiim aside, which has a nice extra series of features you may not be interested in, SMSL has dacs with XLR outs and EARC/ARC inputs, so that may do the trick too.

 

[DVDdoug]

but then i would lose the ability to control volume using the apple tv remote i use or the television remote.

The TV remote MIGHT still work.

Thanks, Sof if i understand what you are saying, i wouldn't use the digital audio out on the television, but instead an hdmi out?

HDMI is digital.

One popular solution is a soundbar (which will usually have HDMI).

 

[Marquant]

Wiim would work. In the app go to Audiosettings, turn off "fixed volume output" and your tv (remote) as inputdevice can set the volume. Even the 100 dollar mini would suffice; but maybe you want to play with room correction then the Pro or Pro plus will be fine.