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Question about using Benchmark DAC3 B with Benchmark LA4 together

mdunjic

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I have a question, related to Benchmark LA4 pre amp and Benchmark DAC3 B being used together.

I have a Benchmark LA4 pre amplifier and I also recently purchased a Benchmark DAC3 B to replace the lovely SMSL SU-9n DAC (which will now become DAC+pre-amp in our basement audio setup, he he).

The XLR outputs from Benchmark DAC3 B are fixed, to put out around 12V RMS (assuming factory settings here, when shipped, to be set to 0db attenuation) so it should be perfect match to LA4 XLR inputs ... on the other hand, the SMSL su-9n has max about 4.5V RMS on its XLR outputs.

My Benchmark LA4 XLR outputs are feeding the pair of Buckeye PURIFI 1ET9040BA Mono-blocks (set with LOW GAIN, i.e. ~15db its own voltage gain)

When I used SMSL DAC, with its XLR output feeding LA4's XLR input, I had to usually set up LA4 volume ctrl knob up to around -60db level, to achieve my usual listening levels ... not too loud, not too quiet, just about right for me ;-)

Now, when I replaced SMSL with DAC3 B, I expected that the same listening loudness level I would be able to achieve with noticeably lower volume knob setting (let's say around -80db), since DAC3 B puts out effectively on its XLR output 2.5 times higher output voltage, compared to SMSL's XLR output voltage.

Surprisingly, no change to how Benchmark LA4 volume knob ctrl behaves after upstream DAC switch
... wth? I have to still basically set LA4's volume control knob up to around -60db to achieve the similar perceived loudness level :oops: What's going on? Sound quality is not affected, of course, but I am genuinely confused by this now, as I have expected that I would see a noticeable change in how LA4 volume knob behaves after switching from SMSL to DAC3 B :-)

I am using Tosslink optical as an input into Benchmark DAC3 B (I used the same with SMSL DAC)

Is there an explanation @John_Siau? where am I getting confused here?
 
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Is your DAC3 definitely set as default, outputting 24dBu?

Did you buy it new?
 
Is your DAC3 definitely set as default, outputting 24dBu?

Did you buy it new?
Yep, purchased brand new unit from a Montreal based dealer (Studio Economik)
 
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To me it's somewhat simple logic - with 2.5x higher XLR voltage output of Benchmark DAC3 B, compared to SMSL SU-9n, going into Benchmark LA4's XLR input, I would logically expect that for the same gain position of LA4's volume knob I hear louder music reproduction with DAC3 B, if nothing else changed in my system, except the DAC ... will have to open the DAC to convince myself it's indeed set to 0db attenuation
 
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My Benchmark DAC3 B attenuation jumper settings are indeed, as expected, set to 0db (factory default)
 

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Ok mystery solved

I did have 10db boost setup on XLR input to LA4, while I used SMSL DAC, forgot about that ... just had a chat with Rory from Benchmark and he asked ... it clicked right then !

So with the boost of 10db when I was using SMSL, LA4 XLR input would be 'seeing' 25.5db signal (SMSL 15.5db + 10db boost) vs. now with DAC3 B (with no boost) the LA4 XLR input 'seeing' signal of 24db

Then it fully make sense what I am experiencing !
 
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