Yes but also weather, cost of land, geography, latitude, grid and open space for large public systems
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Sure...but responsible government policy has been the biggest single factor in hugely tipping the scales here for the average home owner.
It's perfectly factual. Replacing my ICE cars with two EVs when I drive 4,000-5,000 miles annually in the United States would have no environmental benefit for many years and would be likely be uneconomic at current NYC electricity rates.
With respect to self-driving, I understand from Tesla owners that FSD works well in some urban/suburban areas (e.g., Silicon Valley, the outskirts of Austin, and northern Virginia) but remains challenged in the more complex and crowded environments around New York City.
With all due respect to my fellow Tesla owners, from my experience supposed self-driving is an accident waiting to happen. Supervising self-driving is far more stressful than just biting the bullet and driving the car like usual. Also, Teslas are a blast to drive, I don't know why anyone would cede control over to a defective software system. The auto-brake and lane watching features however work well.
As to your issue on environmental benefit, I agree that replacing a working gasoline car is not a good environmental choice. However, where one is going to replace a car, an electric is always the better choice. I was in your situation. I had a good working gasoline car, but I put off buying an electric car until my gasoline car was no longer working to my standards.
As to the overall environmental comparisons, I can only generally refer to Bloomberg NEF, which published some excellent analytic articles that are behind a paywall, and that I carelessly failed to save as PDF when I had one of those discount subscriptions, but maybe you have access somehow.
Maybe Tesla has problems but Waymo has a much better record the human drivers in urban San Francisco. If you have driven there 2.7 million vehicle trips into SF with with most coming in on two bridges east and north and two freeways from the south everyday in a 5 X 5 mile area per Google.
Yes, I chose an EV because it was so much better than any piston engined car.
It had nothing to do with cost or environment, though much better for both, of course, just an electric motor is in every objective way superior to a piston engine.
The other benefits were a nice bonus - though I don't commute and I don't use any driver aids.
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The New York Times reports select businesses seek to attract more customers by offering the convenience of charging stations for electric vehicles.
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How About an E.V. Charge With That Fried Chicken?
Electric vehicle chargers are proliferating in Southern states as fast food restaurants, stores and other businesses try to lure customers.
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The EV charging infrastructure is really ramping up! Wal-Mart is going to be a big resource too. Charging at home is still cheapest, but having the infrastructure for road trips is a confidence booster. That, and the increased range of newer EVs, should help sales.The New York Times reports select businesses seek to attract more customers by offering the convenience of charging stations for electric vehicles.
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How About an E.V. Charge With That Fried Chicken?
Electric vehicle chargers are proliferating in Southern states as fast food restaurants, stores and other businesses try to lure customers.
In many parts of America we have a different idea of what responsible government means.
Pathetic.
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This. Especially in the second hand market. If you need the space, sadly the market pushes you to SUV. We had to go that way as well when replacing our diesel car with an EV
You can only find new ones and no one can afford them
Yes exactly my point.
Edit: even worse, your allegedly "self-driving" car may abruptly brake to a halt during a left turn (happened to me when I tested) flashing "take over driving warning" or perhaps drive you into a ditch (which I have read about, but never experienced.) So not only do you have to pay close attention, you have to be prepared for your car to create an emergency. Forget about it. Just drive normally. Tesla cruise control is great, however.
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Lease one, that's more inexpensive than buying one. I will pay 158 € per month over 4 years.
That is not true Waymo is doing pretty well with their driverless taxi business in several large cities. Lots of people within 20 miles of San Francisco will not drive into it and yet Waymo takes thousands of trips in and out of there every day, with a better safety record than humans.
yeah, without experiencing yourself, common sense will said not a big deal, but it is. you do not have to do the constant micro corrections to keep you car in line, calculate acceleration, deceleration , usually the car does it better than you. You quickly learn when more supervision is needed. Overall a much pleasant driving experience, with better enjoyment of my music or podcast, one more thing must be a psychological thing but road anger much decreased.
The self driving feature and the driver together could form a synergy that would be optimal.
Waymo is pretty surprising. The very rare mishaps make all the news, but having driven many, many miles along side them, I'd rather share the road with Waymo than your average Uber driver. The programming of Waymo is neither too timid, or overly aggressive.
I did not find that the Tesla self driving worked well enough for me, especially on my local roads. As far as acceleration, deceleration etc. are concerned the Tesla cruise control works great, even on low speed local roads and I do use that from time to time. But the full self driving with navigation was a bust. Aside from poor handling of turns, and excessive hugging the center line, I despised the routes that the nav system insisted on and grew weary of fighting with it. It was poor at avoiding potholes and similar hazards, and entirely useless on unpaved roads. Also it did not seem to detect or respond to small animals crossing the road. I tried it a couple times when Tesla does the free promos (about once a year) but I found it to be more trouble than any benefit.
I don't find "micro corrections" to be tiresome at all. Tesla steering is great and if the car's wheels are balanced and aligned properly (as they should be), handling is a joy.
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