Hello everyone!
I just registered to this great forum, but I have been reading for quite some time.
I very much appreciate all the amazing work done by Amir and the whole community.
Although I would never claim to understand all the technical details discussed here, I am eager to learn and improve my listening setup.
As the title suggests, I want to buy a new AVR and a 2ch power amp for my front speakers.
I would like to keep the cost low (big surprise, right?
) but still get the best "reasonable" setup.
This is why I am asking you guys, to avoid making mistakes.
Background - skip if you want:
I currently own a more than 10 year old Onkyo TX-NR818 AVR, driving my Sonus faber Liuto speakers.
Still love the speakers and for all that time, the Onkyo has done a very good job - which mainly comes down to the early adoption of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for me.
Now that I finally moved into my own home, I think it is time for an upgrade.
Not only that - Audyssey is being cruel to my speakers in this living room and since the old Onkyo is not supported by the MultEQ Editor app, there is not much I can do about it:
As you can see, there is a natural rolloff below the 33Hz room mode when measured in Pure.
XT32 does a great job of improving the room response (blue), as usual - but it raises significantly at 25Hz.
This is just dangerous to the speakers.
Using the MultEQ Editor app (on a newer AVR), I would hope to create a kind of subsonic filter below 33Hz to avoid harming the speakers.
From reading or watching various reviews of AVRs and power amps that Amir created (and maybe understanding 30%), I drew the following conclusions:
Accordingly, I am leaning towards the following two components:
After all - this is why I am here!
I would have loved the Denon AVC-X3800H, because it not only will support Dirac, it keeps XT32 and the one feature Dirac is missing: Dynamic EQ.
However, Amir does not recommend it and I would be even more worried about my next question...
The Hypex Ncore NC502MP has it's peak power at 2,35V using RCA connectors.
Do I have to worry to fully utilize this amp with either of these Denon AVRs?
That is something I still do not quite understand.
Can they output 2,35V at the pre-outs?
As far as I understood the review, the AVRs have their best performance if the internal front power amps are disabled (11ch mode).
Hopefully these are the right measurements from the reviews to judge this.
If not, please feel free to tell me I am misunderstanding!
3600:
3700:
3800:
The graphs from 3700 and 3800 stop just beyond 2V, but would I be right to conclude the following estimates?:
I appreciate your help with this!
Sorry for the long text, I just wanted to make sure to ask the right questions.
I just registered to this great forum, but I have been reading for quite some time.
I very much appreciate all the amazing work done by Amir and the whole community.
Although I would never claim to understand all the technical details discussed here, I am eager to learn and improve my listening setup.
As the title suggests, I want to buy a new AVR and a 2ch power amp for my front speakers.
I would like to keep the cost low (big surprise, right?
This is why I am asking you guys, to avoid making mistakes.
Background - skip if you want:
I currently own a more than 10 year old Onkyo TX-NR818 AVR, driving my Sonus faber Liuto speakers.
Still love the speakers and for all that time, the Onkyo has done a very good job - which mainly comes down to the early adoption of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 for me.
Now that I finally moved into my own home, I think it is time for an upgrade.
Not only that - Audyssey is being cruel to my speakers in this living room and since the old Onkyo is not supported by the MultEQ Editor app, there is not much I can do about it:
As you can see, there is a natural rolloff below the 33Hz room mode when measured in Pure.
XT32 does a great job of improving the room response (blue), as usual - but it raises significantly at 25Hz.
This is just dangerous to the speakers.
Using the MultEQ Editor app (on a newer AVR), I would hope to create a kind of subsonic filter below 33Hz to avoid harming the speakers.
From reading or watching various reviews of AVRs and power amps that Amir created (and maybe understanding 30%), I drew the following conclusions:
- Denon builds pretty good AVRs (good for me, I still intend to use Audyssey)
- Purify and Hypex modules are great
Accordingly, I am leaning towards the following two components:
- Denon AVR-X3600H or AVC-X3700H
- Audiophonics LPA-S500NC (Hypex Ncore NC502MP)
After all - this is why I am here!
I would have loved the Denon AVC-X3800H, because it not only will support Dirac, it keeps XT32 and the one feature Dirac is missing: Dynamic EQ.
However, Amir does not recommend it and I would be even more worried about my next question...
The Hypex Ncore NC502MP has it's peak power at 2,35V using RCA connectors.
Do I have to worry to fully utilize this amp with either of these Denon AVRs?
That is something I still do not quite understand.
Can they output 2,35V at the pre-outs?
As far as I understood the review, the AVRs have their best performance if the internal front power amps are disabled (11ch mode).
Hopefully these are the right measurements from the reviews to judge this.
If not, please feel free to tell me I am misunderstanding!
3600:
3700:
3800:
The graphs from 3700 and 3800 stop just beyond 2V, but would I be right to conclude the following estimates?:
- 3600: 102dB @2,35V
- 3700: 95dB @2,35V
- 3800: 84dB @2,35V
I appreciate your help with this!
Sorry for the long text, I just wanted to make sure to ask the right questions.
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