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PSI A21-M Monitor Review

Rate this monitor speaker:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 24 14.6%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 112 68.3%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 26 15.9%

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    164
Out of curiousity here the PSI Factory tour
And also wanted to share another jewel made in Swizerland : Jean Maurer (This video is amazing, the Swiss are so meticulous; you don't mess around with Swiss quality.)


 
Given that we've now got the A21, what about the A23 and A25? @amirm no chance the company would consider sending either of those?
 
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Wow now we know PSI actually makes reliable stuff for sure! Im really interested in their Active bass traps, but have never been certain if they were worth investing in
What would make you certain?
 
Given that we've now got the PSI A21, what about the A23 and A25? @amirm no chance the company would consider sending either of those?
If I can get a hold of them, sure, I will ask. Speakers have been here for some three months. They sent me a reminder a week ago but after that, I have not heard from them. Maybe my contact is on vacation or something.

Amir
 
If I can get a hold of them, sure, I will ask. Speakers have been here for some three months. They sent me a reminder a week ago but after that, I have not heard from them. Maybe my contact is on vacation or something.

Amir
That would be awesome! The a17 and a14 are much more affordable and the a14 is a tiny little thing. Hopefully some time in the future, those might be considered as well.
 
Very hard choice between these two brands, and Neumann too.

As for sound rendition, I've been positively amazed by the PSI I've listened to (A 17 et A23) and by the Genelec I've listened to (old 1030, 1031 and 1032, The Ones 8351 and 8361 and the new big 8380). And I'm sure iI would amazed by Neumanns too.

Specs wise, I would ultimately go for Genelec, but style and and tech wise, I like PSI classic look and well done analog approach.
For music listening and control, no need for a DSP.

And for client service, PSI is even better than Genelec. Just make an appointment, bring the speaker to JL Ohl near Paris or directly to the swiss factory. Genelec has a very good servce too, but it's in Finland, farther from Paris of course.

Well all this has a price nowadays and it makes the difference between these brands and new brands like Ascilab, which are very very good and well bulit indeed, but in case of problem ???

I'm not chasing absolute sounds, this never ending quest is pointless and a bit nevrotic.
I'm looking for the best compromise.

I would suggest you get both to your room and spend some time with them if possible. For me, they accomplish the same thing but are aesthatically on opposite sides of presentation.Both have their strengths but ultimately its up to which one works for you the best.
 
In my opinion, with the dollar having lost about 40% of its value and import taxes added on top, this is definitely not the right time for Americans to buy PSI products.
 
It is really hard to find it here anyway. So the review is mostly for the benefit of members elsewhere. I feel bad when I review so much product that is mainly available in US.
 
It is really hard to find it here anyway. So the review is mostly for the benefit of members elsewhere. I feel bad when I review so much product that is mainly available in US.
May be you should create a European remote/satellite-office :facepalm: where our colleagues -on the other side of the pond- can get EU audio products tested... allowing you to sleep better and with less guilt!
Think of all the side benefits of traveling for "business". wink.gif
 
This speaker, the meticulous arrangement of components on PCB, the clean look... It's as if Swiss watchmakers dabbled in speakerbuilding. And like Swiss watches, they do not compromise on performance. And price :)
 
It is really hard to find it here anyway. So the review is mostly for the benefit of members elsewhere. I feel bad when I review so much product that is mainly available in US.
Don't feel bad Amir and keep on the good job with open eyes and mind.
You know, It's just impossible to find everything anywhere and maybe it's better like this in the end. That's just "the way it is" (I love this Bruce Hornsby song)

As for me, I respect and study with attention all the good products from wherever they come from, but of course, as a European and a French, I focus primarly on french and european products (everytime I can do it without too much damage for my bank account, it's always a matter of realism of course).
 
Contemporary active designs are all absolutely identical, each unit calibrated to a ‘master reference’, I thought the PSIs I had were solid enough, just not exceptional for the price.
Keith

Are they? Each individual monitor and tested individually ?

Or do you mean that tollerances are such that variance is small and therefore it can be assumed they are identical?

I would assume matched pairs are common, but not necessarily closely matched to a reference .

Things will be different between the markets of Hifi and Studio - your words imply it's the same matching even for home hifi actives ..
 
Contemporary active designs are all absolutely identical, each unit calibrated to a ‘master reference’
This is the case with any active that is higher end (read: not a dime-a-dozen cheap active from JBL Yamaha etc etc).

Doesn't need to be contemporary or even DSP based. PSI does it, ATC does it, you name it.
 
Really every single unit is identical to the one ‘master reference’ speaker?
Keith
 
Within tolerances, yes.

You can do this with any decent active, analog or DSP, given the time to adjust based on measurements from a "golden sample" measured in the same conditions. Hell it's even possible with passives but much much more difficult to do "on the fly".

Most companies out there making actives that aren't cheap consumer devices are measuring to at least +/-1dB of spec if not tighter.
 
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Within tolerances, yes.

You can do this with any decent active, analog or DSP, given the time to adjust based on measurements from a "golden sample" measured in the same conditions. Hell it's even possible with passives but much much more difficult to do "on the fly".

Most companies out there making actives that aren't cheap consumer devices are measuring to at least +/-1dB of spec if not tighter.

The most commonly used frequency range for loudspeaker tolerance appears to be 100 Hz to 10 kHz among many loudspeaker manufacturers. Neumann has a tolerance of ±0.45 for their active KH 120II speakers, and ATC has a tolerance of ±0.5 dB for both the active and the passive speakers. At least for the matching pair, but I’m not completely sure the tolerance is kept to a “golden sample”.

I have made measurements for both my passive ATC speakers, the SCM11 and the SCM40, and I can confirm that both pair are kept within that ±0.5 dB specification. I would assume PSI also keep their speakers under a pretty tight production tolerance.
 
In practice, for companies with no digital correction, keeping tolerances small is, in essence, asking for tight tolerances in the drivers performance. For those inside the industry, can be a real nightmare. The only parts of the driver that we can trust to remain stable is the magnet (taking care of temperature if neodymium is used) and motor structure. Then, everything else is prone to high variablity.

As an example, The celulosis used to make paper cones can never be trusted to retain it's properties over time, the manufacturing process of it offers little to no control over the density of the final product. Erros on Mms, damping will occur even inside the same batch.

The suspension structure is another point where the control of variablity is very hard. As I mentioned earlier, even the glueing process must be done incredibily accurately, because when the amount of glue attaching two parts if not homogeneous, the rigidity of the whole system is different, which causes buckling, rub & buzz and more importantly for this discussion, variations on the modal damping and the position of the modes in frequency.

For the ATC, I would imagine they only select the drivers inside the tolerances they accept. They produce the drivers, thus they decide the accuracy, but they can end up reffusing a lot of samples, and this is an added cost to the operation of the company.

For PSI, the added Equalizer allows for living with more variations on the drivers response, correcting for some imperfections that might appear.

For DSP powered speakers, the drivers problem don't bite too much. Two options is normally used in the QC phase:

1- You average the response of a batch of loudspeakers, guaranteeing that not even the glue model and brand used in the spider changes over time. Correct with an FIR filter that is generic but good enough, might allow to pass a peak or dip due to temperature drift and changes on Kms, Mms. This way you gain time on the QC phase, because you can order the PCBs already flashed. Good option for big production scales.

2 - You measure each sample once in a stable environment, apply a Least Square algorithm to find the optimal filter that matches the response to the target. This approach is likely what Neumann does with the MK2 series. Genelec probably uses it inside the GLM, and pretty much all DSP correction system. It is the most accurate way of matching pairs, because the cost function guarantees mathematically that they are the same. Cheap, fast, precise.

Bang an FIR filter on top of this A-21 and we would probably be as flat as the KH150Mk2 on-axis, then of course we could discuss THD, Port distortion and directivity. (:
 
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Kind of a lazy speaker, painted wood box with rudimentary pattern control. No one cares about the all analog signal path but that seems to be the only thing they have to market.

A nitpick but the woofers flange shape, any driver with that shape always just says "cheap" to me even if the driver is more than capable.
 
Kind of a lazy speaker, painted wood box with rudimentary pattern control. No one cares about the all analog signal path but that seems to be the only thing they have to market.
I suppose. They're kind of a unique product in that they're an analog (read: low latency) but linear phase speaker. And, honestly, the performance is pretty good. In my experience they sound good. Wouldn't be my first choice given they're a little soft sounding IME but certainly not bad.
 
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