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Pseudo-balanced RCA to XLR

notanllm

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I've seen some discussion on the forum of cables that can connect RCA outputs to XLR inputs in a "pseudo-balanced" way, including a thread on off-the-shelf options.

It's a bit over my head, so I'm starting a noob-oriented thread on the topic.
  1. As I read the previous threads, none of the off-the-shelf options are actually pseduo-balanced, because although they use the correct pin wiring, they don't add a resistor to the ground. Is that correct?
  2. Is it still better to have the correct pin wiring, but no resistor, than the common (wrong) pin wiring?
  3. How much does any of this actually matter for a casual listening system with <=10 ft runs?
 
The primary advantage of balanced is superior noise rejection over long signal runs. So in your case, any benefits from pseudo-balanced (which IMO are questionable out of the hole) will be non-existent.

Just get cables that are wired properly and – this is important – use quality name-brand connectors from Neutrik, Switchcraft or similar. Can’t tell you how many balanced cables I’ve seen fail because of cheap XLR connectors.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
No resistors involved. The signal is between XLR pins 2 and 3. Whether XLR pin 1 (the cable shield) is connected at the RCA end is optional.
 
On the other hand, resistors and capacitors are involved when converting a component's single-ended output to a [passive/impedance} balanced output.
 
As I read the previous threads, none of the off-the-shelf options are actually pseduo-balanced, because although they use the correct pin wiring, they don't add a resistor to the ground. Is that correct?
Yes


Is it still better to have the correct pin wiring, but no resistor, than the common (wrong) pin wiring?
Yes. By a quick calculation, I estimated you will still get about 30dB common mode noise rejection without the resistor - compared to about 40dB rejection with the resistor (assumed 1% resistors used throughout the output and input impedances, and assumed 100ohm RCA output impedance.)

So still a significant improvement in the noise rejection.



How much does any of this actually matter for a casual listening system with <=10 ft runs?
Depends on if you have audible common mode noise. Can be hiss (especially with PC sources) or hum. If you have it, then the pseudo balanced connection will probably reduce it below audible levels.

If you don't have any audible noise then there will be no benefit from the balanced connection.
 
No resistors involved. The signal is between XLR pins 2 and 3. Whether XLR pin 1 (the cable shield) is connected at the RCA end is optional.
The resistor is ideally used between the balanced cold connection and the RCA earth. It is to balance the cold connection impedance with the output impedance that will be on the RCA pin connection. This is one of the reasons it is not included in off the shelf connectors. It should be selected to match the RCA output impedance.
 
Hypex shows no resistor in the diagram. And Bruno Putzeys knows what he is talking about.

rca-xlr.jpg


PS: designacable uses this configuration by default.
 
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True, and it says "The RC network (100nF, 100 ohms) can usually be shorted since consumer kit is always ground lifted."

In my case, an AVR => amp connection, where the AVR is ground lifted (no ground on IEC socket), that RC filter is unnecessary.

Below a Denon A1H AVR (which I do not own, I wish!, it is just an example).

Denon A1H.jpg
 
A balanced input doesn't have a Cold connection.
Cold? Negative? What do you call it? (The reference part of the balanced connection - normally the inverse of the hot/positive in symmetrical signalling)

EDIT - see also diagram in post below.
 
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That is not the resistor we are talking about. We are (if I've understood the OP correctly) talking about the resistor shown in the first diagram here intended to balance the impdances between the hot/cold wires inside the shield:

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Personally I would not bother (as Bruno does not). As I point out above, even without that resistor you still gain most of the common mode noise rejection that you can get with it.
 
I've seen some discussion on the forum of cables that can connect RCA outputs to XLR inputs in a "pseudo-balanced" way, including a thread on off-the-shelf options.

It's a bit over my head, so I'm starting a noob-oriented thread on the topic.
  1. As I read the previous threads, none of the off-the-shelf options are actually pseduo-balanced, because although they use the correct pin wiring, they don't add a resistor to the ground. Is that correct?
  2. Is it still better to have the correct pin wiring, but no resistor, than the common (wrong) pin wiring?
  3. How much does any of this actually matter for a casual listening system with <=10 ft runs?
1. Resistors are never used in ready-made cables because their resistance is equal to the signal source's output impedance. Since this impedance is unknown in advance, no one uses a resistor. If you're making a cable for yourself and for a specific device, then a resistor is possible.
2. Unless you're a perfectionist, there's little point in using a resistor. If you are, then upgrading your equipment to balanced inputs/outputs is the best solution :) .
3. Adding a resistor may give you a few dB in your measurements, but it's highly unlikely that such an improvement will be noticeable if your equipment and connections are working properly.
 
That is not the resistor we are talking about. We are (if I've understood the OP correctly) talking about the resistor shown in the first diagram here intended to balance the impdances between the hot/cold wires inside the shield:

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Personally I would not bother (as Bruno does not). As I point out above, even without that resistor you still gain most of the common mode noise rejection that you can get with it.

I agree and I think the reason why Bruno Putzeys doesn't bother adding the resistor shown above is that this addition only brings on a theoretical improvement that may not eventually be realized or may actually worsen things.

Typically (there are other cases, though), differential active receivers are implemented with 10 kΩ equal resistors. Assuming the use of 1% tolerance resistors (very common in this day and age), that means that each of the four resistors needed to implement a typical differential receiver can have an actual resistance anywhere between 9.9 kΩ and 10.1 kΩ.

If the unbalanced source impedance is low (less than 300 Ω is not uncommon for a source and many preamplifiers have an output impedance of about 50 Ω), the addition of a resistor equal to the output impedance between the RCA shell and the cable shield may actually gives very little benefit (if at all) if the deviation of the resistor values at the receiving end is large. This is all the more true that, as Douglas Self and others have demonstrated, the impedance balance at the receiving end is of more importance in order to get a good common mode rejection ratio than the impedance balance at the sending end, at least when the receiving input impedance is far greater than the source impedance.

And besides resistor value imbalances, other sources of imbalance may exist inside equipment (input or output capacitors, capacitors used as low-pass filters, capacitive or inductive parasitic effects).

So, in order to actually get an effective improvement rather than a figment of the imagination by adding the above shown resistor in a RCA to XLR cable would require some labor to reverse-engineer the output and input stages and to measure precisely at least all resistor values in the signal path to determine the proper value of the added resistor, value that may be a compromise to mitigate imbalances elsewhere. Or, alternately, to replace all relevant resistors with costly precision types (0.1% or better) or resistors matched by measurements.

All those works and costs may be useful for critical applications, but for home audio?
 
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All those works and costs may be useful for critical applications, but for home audio?
Hence the statement I made above -

By a quick calculation, I estimated you will still get about 30dB common mode noise rejection without the resistor - compared to about 40dB rejection with the resistor (assumed 1% resistors used throughout the output and input impedances, and assumed 100ohm RCA output impedance.)

So still a significant improvement in the noise rejection.

More than enough (IMO) to reduce most audible common mode noise sufficiently that it becomes inaudible.
 
Every time I read a discussion of adapting balanced to unbalanced without springing for an active device or a transformer -- I feel like it's yoga for my brain!
;)
 
Every time I read a discussion of adapting balanced to unbalanced without springing for an active device or a transformer -- I feel like it's yoga for my brain!
;)
It only works (for noise rejection) the other way around - from unbalanced output to balanced input.
 
It only works (for noise rejection) the other way around - from unbalanced output to balanced input.
either way -- the subject always drags my grey matter off in directions it doesn't really want to go.
;)

EDIT: FWIW, I live in a world with ample sources with balanced outputs, but hard-limited (so to speak) by unbalanced inputs on a decidedly single-ended amplifier. I make do, but there some challenging boundary cases (e.g., some truly weird audible artifacts with a powered subwoofer hacked into the mix). :(
 
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