PS Audio got a Klippel NFS

[iscorpio71]

Exactly! Some of us just prefer the artisanal, hand-crafted route to suboptimal sound. Nothing beats spending three weekends and $$$$$ to discover that my particular flavor of distortion is slightly more pleasing than the one the engineers baked in at the factory.

 

[Purité Audio]

Where would the ‘hi-end’ be without you!
Keith

 

[GXAlan]

Well, I’m happy to answer questions.

This was supposed to be a proof of concept (not representative of actual cosmetics and performance) of an active speaker to bring to axpona and survey people about their interests in products like this and the idea of products like this from us. I can post the flier we made with some details if you’re interested in giving feedback.

I’m armchair quarterbacking since I am not in the market for any speakers, so I am a bit like Homer Simpson designing a car. That said…

A big challenge of active speakers has been power management. Specifically, how do you run the power cables and audio cables in a thoughtful and convenient way? What if you wanted the active speakers in a hybrid music and movie system?

For me, PowerCon passthrough and 5-pin 48V audio from the pro audio side have been the answer. It’s easier to run long runs of XLR audio to a common source while daisy chaining a 20A PowerCon cable from a single outlet on a single 12V trigger.

5-pin 48V lets me run active speakers with “nearly” the same convenience of a traditional amp/speaker combo, but now having all the magic DSP in the speaker.

HDMI/CEC and soundbars make people want simple power on controls rather than having to manually walk up and turn on amps, or running a nest of 12v triggers.

 

[Sal1950]

HDMI/CEC and soundbars make people want simple power on controls rather than having to manually walk up and turn on amps, or running a nest of 12v triggers.

I tend to hate HDMI power control. I've got a fairly complicated HDMI connected system and sometimes things drive me nuts trying to finger out why
the TV powers down when playing files from my PC, Apple 4k streamer, Xfinity cable box, 2 BluRay plays, more. All HDMI connected.. I try to turn most of that Off but every now and then a firmware update will override my settings. Gives me a freakin headache. LOL

 

[Timcognito]

I tend to hate HDMI power control. I've got a fairly complicated HDMI connected system and sometimes things drive me nuts trying to finger out why
the TV powers down when playing files from my PC, Apple 4k streamer, Xfinity cable box, 2 BluRay plays, more. All HDMI connected.. I try to turn most of that Off but every now and then a firmware update will override my settings. Gives me a freakin headache. LOL

I had to turn off CEC to get my universal remote to work. The worst offender is the CEC in the the TV FWIW.

 

[antcollinet]

I tend to hate HDMI power control. I've got a fairly complicated HDMI connected system and sometimes things drive me nuts trying to finger out why
the TV powers down when playing files from my PC, Apple 4k streamer, Xfinity cable box, 2 BluRay plays, more. All HDMI connected.. I try to turn most of that Off but every now and then a firmware update will override my settings. Gives me a freakin headache. LOL

I have a simple system. TV and AVR. It still doesn't work properly. AVR turns on with TV - doesn't turn off.

 

[ahofer]

Hmmph. Anyone discuss this series above? There are two reasons I wouldn't click on it.

 

[Chris Brunhaver]

Well, this an article from a guy for our online magazine, Copper, split out into a blog post.

This isn't something I've written and I haven't read the article. I am actively using the NFS in speaker/waveguide design and testing, thus far.

I am going to do a techy youtube video on the new custom front end I use for FEA (magnetics, mechanical) BEM (for waveguide/baffle) and crossover CAD synthesis for design stuff.

 

[ahofer]

With all due respect to you, Chris, I have mixed feelings ex ante. On the one hand it's great to welcome your company to modern speaker measurements (and I think we have you to thank). On the other hand, I worry about misinformation, given past comments about DACs etc. from Paul.

 

[mglobe]

With all due respect to you, Chris, I have mixed feelings ex ante. On the one hand it's great to welcome your company to modern speaker measurements (and I think we have you to thank). On the other hand, I worry about misinformation, given past comments about DACs etc. from Paul.

Paul doesn’t design the speakers, Chris does. Chris has proven time and time again that he is forthright, transparent, and professional. If you truly respect Chris, why not honor that respect by taking the Paul stuff to a different thread. I think Chris has earned that.

 

[ahofer]

Paul doesn’t design the speakers, Chris does. Chris has proven time and time again that he is forthright, transparent, and professional. If you truly respect Chris, why not honor that respect by taking the Paul stuff to a different thread. I think Chris has earned that.

He just said the article wasn't his. And it is directly relevant to the OP/Thread title. And they are at the same company. Answering for your colleagues is all part of being a big boy professional, which he seems to be.

 

[amirm]

Hmmph. Anyone discuss this series above? There are two reasons I wouldn't click on it.
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They are safe to read. To wit, if you click on part 1: https://www.psaudio.com/blogs/copper/choosing-new-speakers-using-spinorama-part-one/#comment-253843

You will see references to ASR. Russ contacted me way back to write this article. His work is pretty independent of PS management.

 

[ahofer]

They are safe to read. To wit, if you click on part 1: https://www.psaudio.com/blogs/copper/choosing-new-speakers-using-spinorama-part-one/#comment-253843

You will see references to ASR. Russ contacted me way back to write this article. His work is pretty independent of PS management.

Good to see. it will be interesting to see how they balance an increasing measurement-orientation with the market’s demand for subjectivity (thinking of the odd balance kept over at the Harbeth forum). This puts them in the odd position of having pushed subjectivism with electronics but a measurement-forward approach to speakers.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

His work is pretty independent of PS management.

well, except that it's primary function is to line the pockets of the company's owner, Paul McGowan.

 

[OldHvyMec]

well, except that it's primary function is to line the pockets of the company's owner, Paul McGowan.

Without being rude, where should the money go in a successful business?

Regards

 

[RexrothPigeon]

Without being rude, where should the money go in a successful business?

Regards

I made no prescriptive or judgmental comment, so I don't know why you're asking. I just stated a fact: These PS employees may be above board, but their work is redounding to the profit of a person widely understood as a grifter and snake oil peddler.
You can run that through your own politico-moral calculus as you wish and I have zero interest in persuading anyone here of anything on the subject.

 

[wwenze]

Good to see. it will be interesting to see how they balance an increasing measurement-orientation with the market’s demand for subjectivity (thinking of the odd balance kept over at the Harbeth forum). This puts them in the odd position of having pushed subjectivism with electronics but a measurement-forward approach to speakers.

They just need to convince their spinorama-perfect speaker is better than others' spinorama-perfect speakers. Not exactly hard since people have been doing the same before spinorama existed.

 

[OldHvyMec]

I made no prescriptive or judgmental comment,

I still ask the question: where should the money go?

PS Audio, like many companies that produce boutique products, may use flowery descriptive language and embellish a few facts, but still the choice to buy is up to the individual; just as the company they buy from has an option to plan for the future, which includes lining their corporate or private pockets.

I make no apologies for capitalists.

Early to bed, early to rise, until you can afford to do otherwise!

but their work is redounding to the profit of a person widely understood as a grifter and snake oil peddler.

I personally have never heard of a dissatisfied customer or a complaint about his customer service in 20+ years where a remedy wasn't offered. Grifter and snake oil don't fit the man's actual reputation. Innovation and change are far more likely.

I wonder why he bought a Klippel? Why would a grifter and snake oil peddler put out that kind of money?

Time to go feed the chickens.

With regards.

 

[Spkrdctr]

I think mixing Paul's comments with Chris engineering isn't something that helps the discussion. Chris is a hard working above board engineer who got a fantastic piece of equipment to help him design speakers. Paul is the President and talks in general terms about PS Audio products. Sure he may be partly subjective but everyone is. The ASR threads are FULL of subjective comments from even our objective readers. Audio is a field where you can spend the money you want to spend and enjoy the music. Getting too wrapped up in the hobby that you see pure evil behind every product is not helpful. No one says that xyz product is the best on the planet. You just buy what you want to buy. Paul is the result of his life's experience. It is different than most peoples. Talking about Paul in a thread about Chris and the Klippel is a waste of time.

 

[egellings]

I still ask the question: where should the money go?

PS Audio, like many companies that produce boutique products, may use flowery descriptive language and embellish a few facts, but still the choice to buy is up to the individual; just as the company they buy from has an option to plan for the future, which includes lining their corporate or private pockets.

I make no apologies for capitalists.

Early to bed, early to rise, until you can afford to do otherwise!



I personally have never heard of a dissatisfied customer or a complaint about his customer service in 20+ years where a remedy wasn't offered. Grifter and snake oil don't fit the man's actual reputation. Innovation and change are far more likely.

I wonder why he bought a Klippel? Why would a grifter and snake oil peddler put out that kind of money?

Time to go feed the chickens.

With regards.

Bedawk!