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smowry said:
Then my proposal is to segment "Speaker Reviews, Measurements and Discussion" into Loudspeakers and Transducers.
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Every time I type in the word "speaker" in a review, I specifically am aware of others using Loudspeaker. And do so intentionally. Loudspeaker is a stuffy, academic word which is not commonly used by hardly any audiophile I run into. Everyone calls them speakers. Ask a lay person even whether they know the word speaker or loudspeaker and they will say the former.

So it is not by chance or ignorance that I am using the word speaker. I want our information be found easily and be accessible to others.

To some extent, it is the same as "automobile" vs "car." I don't know about other countries speaking English but in US, we call the cars vast amount of time.
 
Grimoire said:
For you, it seems that way.
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How many books can you list on the topic of moving coil audio transducers?

Considering that the moving coil audio transducer was invented more than 100 years ago, I only found five (5) books. That's an average of 1 book every 20 years.

1. Acoustics: Sound Fields and Transducers (Leo Beranek & Tim Mellow)

2. Audio Transducers (Earl Geddes)

3. Sound Systems: Design and Optimization (Bob McCarthy)

4. Acoustics: Sound Fields, Transducers and Vibration (Howard & Angus)

5. Sound Reproduction (Dr. Floyd Toole)

The lack of significant advancement in Loudspeakers and Transducers technology is reflected in terminology selections. A speaker is one who speaks and a driver is a type of golf club.
 
amirm said:
Every time I type in the word "speaker" in a review, I specifically am aware of others using Loudspeaker. And do so intentionally. Loudspeaker is a stuffy, academic word which is not commonly used by hardly any audiophile I run into. Everyone calls them speakers. Ask a lay person even whether they know the word speaker or loudspeaker and they will say the former.

So it is not by chance or ignorance that I am using the word speaker. I want our information be found easily and be accessible to others.

To some extent, it is the same as "automobile" vs "car." I don't know about other countries speaking English but in US, we call the cars vast amount of time.
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Okay but what about the term Transducers? Where and/or when is it used?
 
smowry said:
Okay but what about the Term Transducers? Were and/or when is it used?
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I use the term "trans" when something can go both ways. For example, a USB interface IC is called a transceiver because it can both receive and transmit data.

When a device is distinctly one-directional, I don't use the term transceiver which literally means, transmit and receive.
 
amirm said:
I use the term "trans" when something can go both ways. For example, a USB interface IC is called a transceiver because it can both receive and transmit data.

When a device is distinctly one-directional, I don't use the term transceiver which literally means, transmit and receive.
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A loudspeaker is a microphone is a loudspeaker. Neither are distinctly one-directional really, we just use them as such because they're merely specialised on one direction. Headphones don't make too bad microphones for example. :D
 
smowry said:
How many books can you list on the topic of moving coil audio transducers?

Considering that the moving coil audio transducer was invented more than 100 years ago, I only found five (5) books. That's an average of 1 book every 20 years.

1. Acoustics: Sound Fields and Transducers (Leo Beranek & Tim Mellow)

2. Audio Transducers (Earl Geddes)

3. Sound Systems: Design and Optimization (Bob McCarthy)

4. Acoustics: Sound Fields, Transducers and Vibration (Howard & Angus)

5. Sound Reproduction (Dr. Floyd Toole)

The lack of significant advancement in Loudspeakers and Transducers technology is reflected in terminology selections. A speaker is one who speaks and a driver is a type of golf club.
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You must get very confused by the word amp. Do they mean amplifier or ampere? Or perhaps Adenosine monophosphate? Yours must be a very uncertain world.
 
Grimoire said:
You must get very confused by the word amp. Do they mean amplifier or ampere? Or perhaps Adenosine monophosphate? Yours must be a very uncertain world.
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Why do you attack my ability to understand this topic? I have not attacked anyone. I am a champion for the advancement of the Loudspeaker Industry. My world is my business. My world is simple retirement in Phuket Thailand. https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-mowry-0959176/ What's your world?
 
amirm said:
So it is not by chance or ignorance that I am using the word speaker. I want our information be found easily and be accessible to others.
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Exactly this.

This is a site for the general public. The general public calls them speakers, not loudspeakers (and certainly not transducers lmao), and anyway, the prescriptivists vs descriptivists' war ended in a rout long ago.
 
Grimoire said:
If there is no room for confusion, what are you complaining about
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I made a proposal. Then I tried to defend my proposal. However, I do complain about your demeanor. Don't you have anything intelligent to add?
 
Ropeburn said:
A loudspeaker is a microphone is a loudspeaker. Neither are distinctly one-directional really, we just use them as such because they're merely specialised on one direction. Headphones don't make too bad microphones for example. :D
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If it is not used in that manner, then it is not that in the context of a discussion. I am buying a generator. Pretty sure if I looked for a motor, I would see different things.
 
RexrothPigeon said:
Exactly this.

This is a site for the general public. The general public calls them speakers, not loudspeakers (and certainly not transducers lmao), and anyway, the prescriptivists vs descriptivists' war ended in a rout long ago.
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first time i heard loudspeaker i was like "tf is that?!"
 
Am I the only one that feels that Grimoire's replies were inappropriate and were essentially personal attacks that added nothing to this discussion other than to demonstrate his ignorance? Amir told me that Danny Richie, whom I have little respect for, had no manners. I claim that General Richie has better manner than Grimoire.

"You must get very confused by the word amp. Do they mean amplifier or ampere?"

The abbreviation for ampere is A.

"Yours must be a very uncertain world."

And what if my world is uncertain? Does that give him the right to bully me?

"Ignore button deployed."

I am the OP. What did he ignore?

"If there is no room for confusion, what are you complaining about?"

I am not complaining. I made a good faith proposal and sure there are different opinions but aren't personal attacks prohibited?

Satire and metaphor are okay but unprovoked personal attacks are unacceptable!
 
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It gets to a point in each ASR recommendation post; LittleJohnny, in the back of the class forum, raises his hand -and without waiting- asks:
"But, but, but, what category do headphones belong in...?"
 
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