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Mantra

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hi
I own 2 floor standing speakers and 2 Bookshelf speakers
the 2 floor standing speakers are pretty close to the radiator , i guess 1 meter / should be 39.3701 inch

I have used straw yellow oil to nourish the speakers , a good one used by wood craftsmen restorers

May I know what product you use to protect the wood and keep in good shape your speakers ?

thanks
 
I used Pledge when I had woodgrain to protect. Nothing too special.
hi
how do you protect by/from the sun light or radiators?
thanks
 
hi
how do you protect by/from the sun light or radiators?
thanks
Was the wood untreated and unpainted?

Ikea oil for cutlery, worktops, etc. has worked well for me for over 25 years, even with normal or black MDF.
Alternatively, Ikea's interior oil.
You can of course spend a lot more on other brands, but in my experience it is rarely better. I don't want any chemical or toxic fumes in the interior.

The only thing that helps against sunlight and heat is regular oiling.
Modern windows or films can filter out the UV range.
 
Given that @Mantra (the OP) is in Europe, these very American (US) products may be of zero interest or help, but I'll mention them anyway, as perhaps there are similar products available in the EU(?).

This company makes a number of user-friendly, high-quality, very old-fashioned products that (in my admittedly somewhat limited experience across the product lines) perform well, are easy to use, and generally aren't even very expensive.
https://www.realmilkpaint.com/
Check their oils and waxes.

I recently used their Half and Half (tung oil plus their proprietary "food grade Citrus Solvent") to "waterproof" some unfinished Baltic birch plywood loudspeaker enclosures* my son built for me. Really easy to work with, pleasant smelling, and leaves a nice, smooth, and impressively water-resistance sheen ("finish") on bare wood, with minimal color change or darkening.


(to wit, the small 'fullrange' driver loaded, vented cabinets sitting atop the large Altec Santiagos roughly in the center part of the photo above)
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* specifically, Silbatone "Bae" 755A cabinets.


For sun-bleached and otherwise dilapidated wood finishes, I've been using this for a couple of years. We're not talking museum-grade restorations, but, e.g., to bring a haggard-looking pair of Dynaco A25 loudspeakers back to life cosmetically, it works great. Again, easy to use and inexpensive -- although rather nastier chemically than the Real Milk Paint products.
 
Tangentially, if you choose an oil-based product - Please read & take seriously the warnings on the package about properly disposing of oily rags.

I was two minutes away from losing my '74 Alfa GTV and the garage it was parked in, courtesy of a careless neighbor refinishing some chairs. The kids saw the smoke and ran for an adult.
 
Tangentially, if you choose an oil-based product - Please read & take seriously the warnings on the package about properly disposing of oily rags.

I was two minutes away from losing my '74 Alfa GTV and the garage it was parked in, courtesy of a careless neighbor refinishing some chairs. The kids saw the smoke and ran for an adult.
The most dangerous thing is not even the oil itself, but the solvents it often contains. One of the reasons why I avoid using such oils in the interior.
 
Wood finishing 101: there are two types of wood finishes. Those that seal the pores and require no ongoing maintenance (most synthetic and some natural finishes, e.g. lacquer, epoxy, polyurethane, etc), and those where the pores are unsealed, will dry out, and require repeat application (oiled finishes).

Nearly all wooden finishes require no ongoing maintenance if kept indoors. The people who make and sell speakers know their customers are audiophiles and not woodworkers. So the most common finishes are polyurethane (if a matt finish is desired) or lacquer for gloss finishes.

Real oiled wood finish are always matt, never satin or gloss. IMO they look more natural and beautiful. The disadvantage is requirement for ongoing maintenance (re-oiling every few years), and susceptibility to stains if not promptly wiped off. Because they are more fragile, they tend not to be used on furniture or speakers. They are used on chopping boards because you don't want to be ingesting polyurethane. For this reason, chopping boards need to be periodically oiled with a food-safe oil. At a pinch, cooking oil will do but it does not last very long. The curing oils (Tung oil, linseed oil) are preferable, but this means your board will be out of action for a week.

Do not apply one type of finish on top of another because unpredictable results might follow. If a woodworker is asked to refinish furniture, the old finish is sanded off before a new finish is applied. Oils work by penetrating the wood and then curing with exposure to Oxygen. The reaction is exothermic (generates heat) which is why oily rags can catch fire if not disposed of correctly. Do NOT throw an oily rag into the trash with your wood shavings and sawdust. Rinse it off and put it on a clothesline to dry for a couple of days. Then you can discard it.

My recommendation for your speaker: chances are, it is polyurethane. It only needs cleaning, it does not need maintenance. Avoid solvents because it dissolves the finish. Use mild soapy water and wash it off.

If it is a high gloss finish like lacquer, absolutely nothing needs to be done. If you want to make it shine, you can use automotive wax or synthetic wax (wipe it down first to avoid scratches). The sole exception is if it is French polished shellac, but chances are it isn't (this is a very labour intensive process, so it is expensive and any furniture piece with French polished shellac will boast what it is). French polished shellac is maintenance free, unless used on high traffic furniture like dining tables. So it needs periodic application of shellac and more polishing. You will typically find it more on jewellery boxes or cigar boxes and not on speakers, unless you own a luxury speaker.

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Example of an oiled finish, in this case Tung Oil. Note the deep colour and natural appearance of the wood.

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This speaker is likely finished in high gloss polyurethane. It will require no maintenance. I hate all gloss finishes on wood (and in fact all polyurethane finishes). I rarely use them on my own woodworking projects, but then I make stuff for my own use so I know how to maintain them. I do use polyurethane

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These March Sointuva's are most likely satin polyurethane. I can tell from the plasticky finish. No maintenance required unless the finish is damaged, resists (but does not reject) stains, very durable, easily repairable - provided the same type of polyurethane is used.

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Outdoor wok burner. The one in the foreground has no finish, the one in the background is finished in satin polyurethane. I chose polyurethane because this piece is going to lead a tough life. It will be outdoors in a shaded area, subject to heat and food spills and all sorts of abuse.
 
If it is a high gloss finish like lacquer, absolutely nothing needs to be done. If you want to make it shine, you can use automotive wax or synthetic wax (wipe it down first to avoid scratches).
Brilliant post! The only comment to make is that for high gloss finishes on speakers, nothing is better than Brillianize.


It offers slickness and lubricity that is superb and also minimizes microswirls or scratches even on soft acrylic/plexiglass surfaces.
 
@Roland68
hi
Was the wood untreated and unpainted?
the wood of my speakers is untreated and unpainted
thanks for the IKEA oil

@mhardy6647
hi
i can buy pretty quickly real milk paint even on Europe amazon
thanks

hi @Keith_W
Use mild soapy water and wash it off.
well i will tray ir
thanks
 
Untreated wood??? Did you DIY the speakers?
Realizing full well that this is almost certainly :facepalm: irrelevant to the current discussion -- back in the old days it was not uncommon for commercial (i.e., professionally assembled) loudspeakers to be offered in an unfinished option. The primary driver was economic (i.e., a cheaper option for a given loudspeaker), but the secondary driver was for custom finishes.

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source: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Catalogs/Allied-Catalogs/Allied-Catalog-1963.pdf

Klipsch for many years offered "decorator" versions of their loudspeakers, crafted from rather ghastly stark plywood.
I don't have a good image handy, but here's a brochure scan that gives some sense of the bare Cornwall. :eek:

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source: http://akdatabase.com/AKview/displayimage.php?album=104&pos=0
EDIT: But, yes, of course, the DIY option and bare cabinets kind of go hand in hand. ;) A few such floatin' around here.
 
Howard’s Restore A Finish
You can get it at Home Depot or Amazon in oak, walnut, cherry etc.
the rub on beeswax you apply after can be buffed
 
Sorry -- this is gonna be long. The SINAD may be poor, for which I apologize prospectively.

FWIW, the Howards products are much-admired in certain circles (ahem, see, e.g., AK, ahem). In full disclosure, I've used the Restore-A-Finish and Wax-and-Feed and they are a quick and easy way to make a tired (oil) finish look presentable; much beloved of eBAY and fleamarket flippers. :facepalm:
I can say from my own experience that the Howards products (specifically the Restore-a-Finish products) make wood look pretty good for a fairly short time.

The Watco stuff I mentioned above seems to me to be much better. I've used it on some nice but very faded (and even water-stained) furniture with good results for up to a year (to date).

Mind you, I am no expert on this stuff -- indeed, no expert is a mammoth understatement. :eek::facepalm: BUT, I do know some folks who are experts (i.e., pro furniture refinishers who do very fine quality, and expensive, restoration work). Empirically* they revile the Howards products. I suspect they'd scoff at the Watco rejuvenator, too :confused:, but, empirically, it is pretty good.

Not sure I have before & after photos to share, unfortunately.

I can show you a handy after. I have this weird little vintage table (of fundamentally unknown provenance) that I found years back at the Harvard, MA dump :rolleyes:. We used it as a printer stand, but it had gotten quite wobbly. My son built us a nice bespoke printer table. I pulled the old table out of service and put it in the basement. After "discovering" the Watco product (used initially to rejuvenate an antique humidor table that we have), I decided to rehab the aforementioned mystery table for our daughter's new house. I repaired the wobbly legs and used the Watco. The results were transformative.

I don't have any befores, but here are a couple of afters.





Our daughter still hasn't claimed the table :p so in the meantime I put it up at the top of the stairs to my hifi room. At this point, it looks too nice to be in the basement. ;)

Guardsman.
Say more, please. I don't know anything about this stuff. :)




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* at least the Restore-a-Finish stuff. I've found the Wax-and-Feed to be OK if a little goopy to use, and I do use the Howards butcher block conditioner on our cutting boards and such. I will probably transition to Real Milk Co. products, though, anon.
 
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